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It's time to say goodbye to JWD - I sold it !

by Simon in

a week or so ago i posted that the forum was 15 years old (15 years of jehovahs-witness.com) and hinted that there may be some news to announce about the site:.

i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.

well, now i can announce it - i sold it !.

Did You Know...Jesus Does Not Kill Satan The Devil! ... You Heard It First Here!

by MADMARY in

this topic is especially for all the bible scholars in the house.

the real serious ones... ...who like this type of bible discussion, though-provoking, challenging.. (please click below for the discussion covering this topic, in detail.).

jesus does not kill satan the devil!

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You may possibly be correct. Or not. Doesn't really matter.

Revelation 20:7 shows that Satan is hurled into the lake of fire. When is death hurled into the lake of fire? Before or after Satan? If Revelation 20 is viewed in sequence, then death is hurled into the lake of fire after Satan is. (See Rev 20:14) If Satan is destroyed before death doesn't necessarily mean Christ is the one to kill him just because he's king. It makes sense that God would be the one to carry out that particular action regardless of who is king. Oh, and we must recognize that God is always king, even while Christ is. Just because Christ is king doesn't mean God is not. But, God has chosen to let Christ rule. That's what the covenant for a kingdom is about.

That said, who kills Satan does not affect our faith one iota, so it's not worth much of a debate.

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2015 DC Invitation

by pixel in

you saw it here first!.

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Leaving-quietly, are you sure there will be 2 dramas about Jesus?? They must be listening to us here, because awhile back there were some posts here which mentioned that in all the org's histories of convention dramas (80-100 years or so), "Christ's brothers on earth" have NEVER ONCE produced a drama about Jesus.

I thought the very same thing!!!

Thanks to BluesBrothers for the translation. I mis-spoke. A "two-part" drama.

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2 More March 2015 BOEs!

by Atlantis in

more march 2015 boes!..

click the link below and then click the green download button.. .. 2015 march 20, boe.

(re: the final week of jesus life on earth).

leaving_quietly

Thanks, Atlantis!

Really?

In addition, all congregations will shortly be provided with an updated list of suggested cleaning supplies from a recommended Watchtower supplier.

Really?

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The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

by stuckinarut2 in

oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

- prayer.

- personal study.

leaving_quietly

I've never heard of the five pillars. I've heard PASS for years (Prayer, Association, Study, Service)

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2015 DC Invitation

by pixel in

you saw it here first!.

leaving_quietly

Two dramas about Jesus. Hmm. Me thinks they are going more mainstream here... This RC will probably appeal to a much wider variety of people than past conventions.

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CHRISTIAN BY DIVINE PROVIDENCE

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

the following information looks at the use of the descriptor "christian" and "jehovah's witness".

reference is made to information published by the wtbts, as is information in wikipedia.

a discussion ensues at the end.. insight vol i - christianpublished in 1988the latinized greek term khristianos, found only three times in the christian greek scriptures, designates followers of christ jesus, the exponents of christianity.ac 11:26; 26:28; 1pe 4:16.it was first in antioch [syria] that the disciples were by divine providence called christians.

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The translation of the Greek verb khre·ma·ti′zo as "by divine providence called" is unique to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. It has been translated as such from the beginning (1953) up to and including the recent 2013 revision. An examination of translations via Biblegateway shows that they all translate khre·ma·ti′zo simply as "called" (except Young's).

In this case, the NWT appears to be giving a translation that brings in the flavor of the word, and in this case, I agree with the translation. From Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:

From chrema; to utter an oracle (compare the original sense of chraomai), i.e. Divinely intimate; by implication, (compare the secular sense of chreia) to constitute a firm for business, i.e. (generally) bear as a title -- be called, be admonished (warned) of God, reveal, speak.

Also, see here and here for other interesting writeups about this.

In reviewing this history, I have resolved to refer to myself as a Christian only.

Rutherford selected one Hebrew scripture for his re-branding strategy - thereby denying every Christian scripture which commanded Christians to witness for Christ!

Yes, and the verse Rutherford chose was there for a particular purpose. A reading of Isaiah 43 shows what that is. It was not to be a name for a religious organization, otherwise, the Israelites would have been called "Jehovah's witnesses" 2500 years ago.

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CHRISTIAN BY DIVINE PROVIDENCE

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

the following information looks at the use of the descriptor "christian" and "jehovah's witness".

reference is made to information published by the wtbts, as is information in wikipedia.

a discussion ensues at the end.. insight vol i - christianpublished in 1988the latinized greek term khristianos, found only three times in the christian greek scriptures, designates followers of christ jesus, the exponents of christianity.ac 11:26; 26:28; 1pe 4:16.it was first in antioch [syria] that the disciples were by divine providence called christians.

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Marked for later reading when I have more time

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The "Great Multitude" and the "Jehovah's Witnesses"

by Doug Mason in

i wonder if someone is able to tell me the date and publication when those of the "great multitude" were first included with the "jehovah's witnesses".. i do not mean the "jonadab class", since to me they appear to be different to the "great multitude".

(i am open to correction on that but i will need precise references.).

doug.

leaving_quietly

According to the index, the earliest reference to the "great crowd" as "Jehovah's witnesses" was w48 p.87. There could be an earlier reference, but not sure. Here's an image snippet of that WT:

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Help! I'm drowning!

by vinman in

my wife and sons don't know how far i have gone in withdrawing from the organization in my heart.

i've been faking family worship.

i got angry and almost showed it while watching the march tv.org.

leaving_quietly

Sorry to hear what you're going through. I'm in the same predicament. I'm a little farther along, though. My wife knows how I feel about this religion. We've had a couple of intense discussions about it. So, I know how you're feeling. I'm living it.

I was about to ask the same question as Oubliette. Did you mean "worshipped Jesus" in the past? Because JWs certainly don't do so in the present. Does it bother you that they once gave more credence to Christ than they do now? I wasn't sure what you meant by that.

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