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I just found out that my youngest brother committed suicide

by SnakesInTheTower in

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my middle brother called me a couple of hours ago.

our youngest brother, josh, who was 38, was found by his friends in his apartment.

he hung himself.

Didn't get the Watchtower today at all

by Pioneerbot in

i know it's dumb to think it would make sense.

i've been telling myself to lay low because everytime i ask a question now my husband says i have a negative attitude and i sound like an apostate.

hmmm wonder why.

Didn't get the Watchtower today at all

by Pioneerbot in

i know it's dumb to think it would make sense.

i've been telling myself to lay low because everytime i ask a question now my husband says i have a negative attitude and i sound like an apostate.

hmmm wonder why.

leaving_quietly

My understanding is that God only acknowledges people as his children after the thousand year reign (Rev 21: 7)

The JW teaching is that the anointed are adopted as God's children at the time of their anointing, but the great crowd become his children after the thousand years.

w12 p. 11 par 17 (great crowd are NOT sons):

When discussing the freedom that Jehovah has in store for his earthly servants, Paul wrote: “The eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God.” Then he added: “The creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God.” (Rom. 8:19-21) “The creation” refers to mankind with the earthly hope, those who will benefit from “the revealing” of God’s spirit-anointed sons. That revealing will begin when these “sons,” resurrected to the spirit realm, share with Christ in cleansing the earth of evil and preserving “a great crowd” into the new system of things.—Rev. 7:9, 14.

w09 10/15 p. 27 (sons are the anointed as a group):

However, Jehovah did not foreordain which individual humans would be adopted as his sons. Rather, God determined that there would be a group, or class, of humans that would rule with Christ in heaven.—Rev. 14:3, 4.

w96 7/1 p. 27 (great crowd are NOT sons):

Do the Holy and its furnishings have any meaning for this great crowd of foreigners? Well, they will never be in the condition pictured by the Holy. They are not born again as spiritual sons of God with heavenly citizenship.

re p. 304 pars 3, 4 (sons are the anointed, great crowd become sons after the 1000 years... "filial" means "of or due from a son or daughter"):

Those who drink of that refreshing “water” must also conquer, as Jehovah goes on to say: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” (Revelation 21:7) This promise is similar to the promises found in the messages to the seven congregations; hence, these words must apply in the first place to anointed disciples. (Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26-28; 3:5, 12, 21) Christ’s spiritual brothers throughout the ages have eagerly anticipated the privilege of being part of New Jerusalem. If they conquer, as Jesus conquered, their hopes will be realized.—John 16:33.
12 The great crowd out of all nations also look to this promise. They too must conquer, loyally serving God until they come out of the great tribulation. Then they will enter into their earthly inheritance, ‘the kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.’ (Matthew 25:34) These and others of the Lord’s earthly sheep who pass the test at the end of the thousand years are called “holy ones.” (Revelation 20:9) They will enjoy a sacred and filial relationship with their Creator, Jehovah God, as members of his universal organization.—Isaiah 66:22; John 20:31; Romans 8:21

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2015 Providing Comfort For The Grieving!

by Atlantis in

not exactly the time or place to be pushing your religion!.

.. posted on a jw website.. .. providing comfort for the grieving.. .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/he8sabi.

.. .. wtunderground!.

leaving_quietly

This is tacky. As for the meetings getting canceled, I'm pretty sure it's because Paris imposed a curfew. Preaching would be difficult, but going to meetings normally would not be unless there was some external imposition on it. A curfew would fit the bill.

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2015-10/10/ Field Service Report Slips-S-4-E!

by Atlantis in

if this has already been posted just delete this post!.

2015 10/10/ field service report slips-s-4-e. .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/kpifhby.

.. .. wtunderground!.

leaving_quietly

As reported elsewhere, the top two items, Placements and Video Showings, are not sent to the branch.
These figures are only recorded so the local elders can monitor you and have a reason to give you some shepherding when you aren't doing what they consider to be enough.

A long-standing reason for having field service reports in the first place was so that the branch would know how much to print. If placements are no longer being reported, then what's the point?

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2015-10/10/ Field Service Report Slips-S-4-E!

by Atlantis in

if this has already been posted just delete this post!.

2015 10/10/ field service report slips-s-4-e. .. click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/kpifhby.

.. .. wtunderground!.

leaving_quietly

For real? Counting # of video showings? What do those poor JWs who don't have those devices do???

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"Only Baptized Ones have Unrestricted Privilege of Prayer"

by BluesBrother in

i was sitting at the recent circuit assembly that i attended, (the things i do for sis blues) and the baptism talk was under way .

i admit that my mind was more on my imminent packed lunch and flask of coffee but i distinctly heard the speaker make the statement that heads this thread and cite a wt reference.. you what !

i was shocked....... how can they possibly make such an arrogant statement ?

leaving_quietly

What Morpheus said. The only prayers of unbaptized ones that Jehovah hears is those that revolve around sending JWs to their doors. Apparently.

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CO in midwest gets pink-slipped

by LevelThePlayingField in

i saw the coordinator heading for the stage and hit record on my ipad.

i was shocked but here it is.

here's my typed transcript of the letter he read:.

leaving_quietly

A policy instituted a couple of years ago made it such that COs over 70 go off the road. If this particular CO was surprised, then I'm betting he and his wife aren't 70, yet. Otherwise, it should not have been any surprise to him at all.

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

leaving_quietly

Certain corporation types have to have voting members by law. It's just the way it is in the U.S. However, them having shares that are actually worth something... well, that's very interesting.

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Couldn't take it anymore.

by Darkknight757 in

so i decided yesterday to give my wife's full disclosure.

not sure it was the best decision considering she holds very firmly to the resurrection hope so we can see our babies again.. anyways she is agreeable to begin a study to find a better truth.

where is a good place to go to get some good reliable biblical info on the web that we can consider together?.

leaving_quietly

The Message bible is kinda fun to read, but it is really a highly paraphrased translation. I personally like the NIV, ESV and NET. The ESV is, IMO, closer to the original Greek, so in many places reads as unnaturally as the NWT. But the same biases aren't there (though I'm sure there are other biases).

You could always download the YouVersion app to your mobile devices and choose nearly any translation you want without spending a dime.

leaving_quietly

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