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DESTROYING the Governing Body’s claim of authority
by TerryWalstrom in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
destroying the governing body’s claim of authority.

begin at the beginning.

what source authority did early christians have?.
leaving_quietly

1919 is a revoked teaching.
Nope, this isn't revoked, unless it's been revoked since March of this year. Per the March, 2016 WT, Questions From Readers:
Then, in 1919, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave” over God’s cleansed people to give them spiritual “food at the proper time."
Per previous explanations (from late 2012 onward), this appointment is only over the "domestics" while the appointment over "all my belongings" is still future. Phizzy is correct with this one.
1919 as an appointment of anybody by Jesus just has not one shred of real proof.
Yes, I agree.
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Missionary in Asia works part time as teacher told by Bethel hand over pay check!!
by Witness 007 in
1. jw
2. experiences
they only way this minsterial school grad missionary could get a visa was as an "english teacher" so he got a job part time and pioneered the rest of the time.

he was very upset when bethel told him his wage for english teaching belongs to them!!!

he had expenses living in this asian land and had no family support, but bethel thought his small watchtower "reinburstment" was enough.
leaving_quietly

As awful as this is, don't missionaries sign a vow of poverty? There have been a few threads on this over the years. Here's one from 10 years ago:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/106721/bethel-vow-poverty-documents-scanned
One of items is:
"6. To turn over to the local organization of the Order all income received from any work or personal efforts in excess of my necessary living expenses, unless released from this vow by the Order;"
So, while I agree this is a horrible practice, it may very well be that this missionary actually agreed to that particular condition.
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DESTROYING the Governing Body’s claim of authority
by TerryWalstrom in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
destroying the governing body’s claim of authority.

begin at the beginning.

what source authority did early christians have?.
leaving_quietly

The Watchtower Corporation uses its bank accounts as its guide and realistically it always has.
That's following the golden rule, right? Whoever has the gold makes the rules?
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Supreme Court Of Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses as an 'extremist organization'
by EdenOne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
read the news here.

the jehovah's witnesses lost their appeal to the supreme court of russia.

bethel to be liquidated.. i bet the gb saw this coming ... here comes the persecution complex paranoia.
leaving_quietly

It's confusing. I wonder if this is just the Belgorod group. I say that because there's a link to another article that says the Russian Supreme Court refused to ban the branch back in April under a similar charge brought by a different court.
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DESTROYING the Governing Body’s claim of authority
by TerryWalstrom in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
destroying the governing body’s claim of authority.

begin at the beginning.

what source authority did early christians have?.
leaving_quietly

It never ceases to amaze me how much wool this organization has pulled over our eyes. I say "our" because most of us were one firm believers. To find out that in the 1930s, they completely disavowed holy spirit as a guide, but angels instead, but then 60 years later disavowed even angels... I mean, wow!
Nice work, Terry.
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Prince's birthday declared "Prince Day" today, June 7, 2016 by State of Minnesota
by leaving_quietly in
1. social
2. current
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/entertainment/prince-birthday/index.html.
leaving_quietly

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/entertainment/prince-birthday/index.html
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Is shunning unscriptual?
by MrTheocratic in
1. watchtower
2. bible
international version 1 cor 5:11. but now i am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler.

do not even eat with such people.. if shunning is wrong.

.how does one explain this scripture?.
leaving_quietly

To build on what Sanchy said, there is a big difference between not associating / breaking bread with someone and not even saying a greeting. JWs lump 1 Cor 5:11 with 2 John 10. They say that if a person is unrepentently sinning, that person is actually an anti-christ. In fact, the RNWT has a cross reference on 1 Cor 5:2 to 2 John 10 to show that they do make this connection, stating that these do not "remain in the teaching of the Christ" (2 John 9). So, if someone has sex with someone else who is not their marriage mate and are unrepentent (according to three imperfect men who judge behind closed doors) they are deemed as not remaining in Christ's teaching, and thus to be completely shunned. Was that the teaching of the Christ? Did Christ teach that anyone should be shunned for such an act? What of Matthew 18:15-17? Expelled from the congregation, perhaps. Treated as dead? No.
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I just don't understand this, what am I missing???
by Greybeard in
1. jw
2. friends
as i am watching this video about changes at bethel, the speaker said, "aren't we glad the faithful and discrete slave continues to make adjustments when necessary.

what about this change?

"finally, we examined why jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation" that is from this online watchtower article last paragraph: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130715/jesus-prophecy-last-days/ .
leaving_quietly

Seems to me they're simply referring to themselves in the third person, like "The Jimmy" on Seinfeld.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apa0nG1OfUc
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New Shunning Video - RC 2016
by wifibandit in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20rww_-7ua.
leaving_quietly

They were probably trying to portray the DFing as having taken place many years ago, back when they used the old-style announcement.
Ah, yes. You're right. She was DF'd for 15 years. Makes sense.
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New Shunning Video - RC 2016
by wifibandit in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20rww_-7ua.
leaving_quietly

Did anyone else notice the announcement from the platform? It said: "Sonia Erickson has been disfellowshipped." Are they going back to the old way of announcing? It should have been: "Sonia Ericson is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."