i don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
And now for an update. We've hit the 50 mark! That's great work everyone.
Here are the 50 mark results (for all the questions this time) :
Enjoy the rest of your day/evening! Tomorrow it's back to school, work, or both - which I'm sure we don't need reminding about - anyway, wishing you all a good week.
i don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
Another big thank you to all who have done the survey since the last update.
And thanks also to Healthworker, Still Thinking, FinallySomePride, NeverScreamAgain, Crisis of Conscience and FlyingHighNow.
FinallySomePride - it could never be a respectable survey without the ape input. Thanks for giving it that stamp!
...maybe a certain monkey's input could be good too...
FlyingHighNow - shame for the Saturdays...hope you get another day off in its place.
as i was rumbling thru the internet i came across this site: www.newsystemschool.org.
i didn't know that they had started homeschooling.. .
grewup.
Great
How about the credentials of those who started this school? I wonder how many have a college education let alone a degree in education. In any case there is no mention of this in their credentials, and if I was starting a school, it would be the first thing I'd be mentioning, but then, I guess that really isn't a selling point in dub world...
| HISTORY OF NEW SYSTEM SCHOOL, INC. | |
| New System School, Inc., was created for the purpose of helping parents who were looking for an alternative to the public school system for their children's education. The school was started in North Carolina in 1980. In 1985 the school was incorporated in Missouri, and associated corporations have since been formed in many states. New System School, Inc., is an organization of parents who wish to be directly involved closely in their children's educational process. They have made legal arrangements to be recognized as a private religious school. This is not a home school satellite situation, but a private religious school with a faculty and non-institutional campus arrangement. | |
i don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
How about some results?
We've had 35 replies so far, which I think is great. Thanks everyone!
In answer to the questions "Do you believe in God?" and "Would you classify yourself as any of the following?", this is what we've got :
I will post more results here as (and if) they keep coming, and here's for hoping - if we get near the 100 mark, then I'll put the results in a new thread! That would be great...
Have a good Sunday everyone!
i don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
Further to certain comment(s), here's an updated list of this weeks atheist vs believers threads.
For NoStonecutters, some star treatment! (You get a clickable link!)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/240418/1/Why-are-atheists-so-intent-on-scorning-believers (Started 8 days ago - 554 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/adult/240552/1/Atheists-and-Nonatheists-Do-we-really-want-to-understand-each-other (Started 5 days ago - 258 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/240584/1/Atheists-V-Creationists-FACE-OFF (Started 4 days ago - 91 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241670/1/Atheisms-occult-roots (Started 3 days ago - 88 comments so far) - more an atheist thread than an atheist vs believer thread, but hey, what's wrong with keeping everyone happy around here!
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/entertainment/240625/1/Lets-stop-beating-around-the-bush-We-all-know-the-REAL-REASON-for-the-tensions-between-Atheists-and-Believers (Started 3 days ago - 74 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241753/1/Are-EXJWs-predominantly-atheist (Started 23 hours ago - 105 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241657/1/Survey-Who-here-is-an-atheist-Who-here-still-believes-in-God (Started 2 days ago - 284 comments so far)
i don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
A big thank you to all of you who have completed the survey so far.
And thank you too to leavingwt, Soledad, Phizzy, MrsJones, Dazed but not Confused, Tec, Exwhyzee, Hortensia, Cofty, NoStonecutters
Soledad - thanks for your comments. Yes, before showing us that we could make a survey on Google the teacher handed us each a stack of paper surveys that had been filled in and we had to enter all the data into excel question by question. You should try a survey - as the answers are submitted they automatically appear in spreadsheet form - it's really funny to watch. And it's good to know that Saturday morning feeling doesn't diminish! I love it. Sunday mornings too!
Phizzy - sorry if it wasn't too clear - it was more belief in God - but for the latter questions I don't really mind how it was interpreted.
Exwhyzee - "learning about mass extinction events" - I added a link to wiki, which unfortuneately I couldn't make clickable. Here it is again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event#Major_extinction_events. Apart from the dinosaurs, these mass extinction events are something we don't really learn about in the borg. Very simply put (as I'm no scientist, but the subject does interest me) : there were several periods in history when large percentages of life were just wiped out and went extinct.
Cofty - if I could guess, then this wouldn't be an anonymous survey
NoStonecutters - Aw, I'm sorry. Well, your thread was in my shortlist...Ok, I'm going to try something. I'll be right back.
does anyone else feel or know that jehovah's witnesses damaged their health?.
i know many have emerged with depression, and i'm very relieved that i am not one of them.. but, being the age i am, (a large tribe of grandchildren) i was nonetheless pressured to go out door to door in steep countryside often in bad weather, and because i was doing my best to keep up that ended in an injury which has proved to be long lasting.. and that's not counting the stress-induced consequences...i won't cite them all here, but physical.
a few days in hospital and a summer spent on compulsory almost complete rest can all be laid at the watchtower's door.the trauma of actually extricating oneself from the borg is not stopped when one has finally written that letter that disassociates oneself from them.
Many physical and mental health problems are stress related. The mind control you are unconsciously put through as a dub is unrelenting, and enough to trigger any number of health problems - for some this shows itself mentally, for others physically. I know several who would fit this category.
Take this example : Sister Chronic Health Problems has served faithfully for decades as a pioneer, never been able to marry, always had strong opposition from her non-JW family which has caused her constant turmoil and stress all these years. Add to this that she dropped her education when she learnt the truth and decided to pioneer and so has always struggled big time to make ends meet and have adequate accommodation. Nearing retirement and still on a job most people only do for a couple years when they're young, for the past few years her doctor has signed her off work half the time as she can't take the stress levels there. This has resulted in constant physical and health problems which costs alot especially for someone on a part-time minimal wage. All this because she decided to give her life to a publishing company. (Her brothers and sisters don't have these problems.)
Add to this, when you have chronic health problems in the borg, the number of times you are referred to some magic doctor (often some witness who has to be ok as even the Bethel sends people to him or her) who turns out to be an absolute quack, but you go to see anyway as Brother Insistant is convinced Dr Magic is sure to be able to cure you as he did for Brother Supposedly No Longer Sick, and you don't want Brother Y to think you're spir'ly weak as if you get better, then you'll be able to go to meetings again. Oh, and ultimately, these are all doctors that are not covered or recognised by any social security, and so you have to pay out of your pocket. And when you call Brother Supposedly No Longer Sick to check out about Dr Magic, you find out that actually, he didn't get any better. It happens time and time again and is not unique to one part of the world.
Poor Sister Chronic Health Problems went to see several of these doctors and they never had more than a placebo effect on her. Some of the things these doctors say or use as techniques or treatments are completely...well you know.
And to finish, what about those who gave their best to the borg and suffer now from burnout?
i was listening this morning to the experience of sonia "sunny" jacobs, who was on death row for a long time, until her case was properly dealt with.. she explained that upon leaving prison after all those years it was amazing !
"the colours!
" she said, in prison all is grey or black , but outside in the free world, so many colours!.
Most definitely - except you don't always realize you were in a prison until you're on the other side.
On learning the TATT it was as if someone had handed me a golden ticket. Best feeling ever, even when tainted with feelings of stupidity and anger that come with discovering you've been duped your whole life.
i don't know about you, but i love saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold november morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda.
does that sense of being free ever grow old?
i hope not any time soon at least.. this week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on jwn :.
I don't know about you, but I love Saturday mornings...now that crawling out of bed on a cold November morning to go and knock on doors is no longer on the agenda. Does that sense of being free ever grow old? I hope not any time soon at least.
This week we've had quite a few atheist vs believer threads along with speculation on what the actual numbers are on JWN :
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/240418/1/Why-are-atheists-so-intent-on-scorning-believers (Started 8 days ago - 554 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/adult/240552/1/Atheists-and-Nonatheists-Do-we-really-want-to-understand-each-other (Started 5 days ago - 258 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/240584/1/Atheists-V-Creationists-FACE-OFF (Started 4 days ago - 91 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/entertainment/240625/1/Lets-stop-beating-around-the-bush-We-all-know-the-REAL-REASON-for-the-tensions-between-Atheists-and-Believers (Started 3 days ago - 74 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241753/1/Are-EXJWs-predominantly-atheist (Started 23 hours ago - 105 comments so far)
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241657/1/Survey-Who-here-is-an-atheist-Who-here-still-believes-in-God (Started 2 days ago - 284 comments so far)
Well, this week in class (yes, as soon as I learned the TATT I went straight back to school and it went so well I am now in my second year and counting) we were studying statistics and the teacher showed us how to make our own surveys using Google Drive, as this is something we will probably have to do later in the year as part of the research for our projects. On reading the above threads, in particular the last two, I thought I'd try out what I learnt and write a small survey to get some actual numbers to the above questions.
The first two questions are based on what was asked in the last two threads in the list, the other questions are purely personal. If you don't like them, just skip them, no offense taken. If you don't mind answering them, thanks in advance for indulging my curiosity.
Here you go :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGZqcUpGalBiMXFVZE9Dd0RvMmxUaWc6MQ
And a happy Saturday morning to you all!
i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
Healthworker - you have a PM.
