Posts by iXav

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Drastic Upcoming Changes? (accelerated by the pandemic)

by JWTom in

good to see you again!

much discussion now about the fallout that is coming due to impacts of the pandemic combined with the long-term downward spiral of jw.org.

i am active as a pimo and my wife is pimi....much of our personal conversation and conversation with others in jw land focuses on how things will play out for jw.org in the next 12-24 months.

iXav

They will not eliminate the DFing. In Belgium and France, some years back, they changed the wording for DFing from "Exclure" to Excommunication to match what the Catholic church uses as there were legal reasons not to "Exclude" someone. If the courts are going to go after the JWs, they will scream discrimination and say that the Catholic church does the same.

Notice the language use in the following question from readers. The basically said not we don't reject or exclude ex-JW we just want them to come back to their former faith...

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Headship and WT's Changed Understanding

by Bobcat in

i don't think anyone has mentioned that the february 2021 study wt (p. 15, 16; par.

8) changed wt's long standing view on headship within the congregation.

wt used to view all baptized males as being the head of all baptized sisters.. this view led to such absurdities as a sister having to wear a head covering on a bible study because her baptized 10 year old son was sitting in on the study with her.

iXav

1. Does the activity require that a sister pray publicly or teach from the Bible while a baptized brother is present?—1 Cor. 11:4, 5.
2. Even if a baptized male is not present, would this assignment normally be done by a baptized brother?—1 Tim. 2:11, 12; Heb. 13:17.
3. If the sister is married, is her husband present while she publicly prays for others or teaches them from the Bible?—1 Cor. 11:3.

I like how they spin the bible to say whatever they want. What does "publicly prays" mean in the context of a home bible study? If a woman is in her house, this is not public prayer and the presence of her husband is irrelevant but this is the WT

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Drastic Upcoming Changes? (accelerated by the pandemic)

by JWTom in

good to see you again!

much discussion now about the fallout that is coming due to impacts of the pandemic combined with the long-term downward spiral of jw.org.

i am active as a pimo and my wife is pimi....much of our personal conversation and conversation with others in jw land focuses on how things will play out for jw.org in the next 12-24 months.

iXav

They can sidestep the elders that way. Plus they been complaining for years abouth DFing people for small things. If they go online basically congregation arrangements will stop to exist, no need to DFing people anymore. CO arrangement haven't improved anything in congregations.

if you look at the JW as a business corporation that it is, there is no way to control that many people without middle management that the Elders/COs and Branches committees are.

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Covid 19 True Infection Rate / Proof of Misinformation

by Simon in

this is interesting.. you've probably heard of "asymptomatic spread" which is, people who are infected with the virus and are spreading it, but who have no symptoms.. but is it accurate?

is it supported by the statistics?.

this video analyses the facts and concludes that we've been given misinformation due to faulty testing.

iXav

1) A highly contagious, but statistically non-lethal virus.

the "non-lethal" part doesn't fit your narrative. What does it mean?

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The Patriarchy Paradox

by LoveUniHateExams in

^^^ this is the title of a youtube video made by a teacher of 16 and 17 year old eton students.

he made it as a study aid with the idea being that it would stimulate debate.. eton superiors told him to remove it from the lessons, which the teacher did.

they then told him to remove it from his personal youtube account, which he refused.

iXav

Women have the rights to go topless in certain parts of the West but they have to cover their nipples (see the freethenipple movement ) - this is a First World issue if ever there was one, lol. You'll have to give a better example than this. It's a simple fact that, in the West, women enjoy the same rights as men (and rightly so).

I though that was a very good example I took a First World example as you said women in the West... Women enjoy the same rights but they are not often allowed to exercise those rights in the same way. The same way as men have the rights to be gynaecologist but some women wouldn't want a man performing science on her cherry. Some men wouldn't want their wives going to see a male gynaecologist. Having the same rights doesn't equate to being able to exercise those rights at the same level. That is another example now below the waistline

The above is debatable - what's debatable? The ironing out of many wrinkles or not being able to turn society upside down and expect to thrive? Both points seems pretty clear to me.

There are still wrinkles and just because people (feminist etc) challenge the status quo doesn't mean that they want to turn society on its head. Progress as we know it has often been a result of people challenging current views and forcing society to think differently.

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Drastic Upcoming Changes? (accelerated by the pandemic)

by JWTom in

good to see you again!

much discussion now about the fallout that is coming due to impacts of the pandemic combined with the long-term downward spiral of jw.org.

i am active as a pimo and my wife is pimi....much of our personal conversation and conversation with others in jw land focuses on how things will play out for jw.org in the next 12-24 months.

iXav

They are already consolidating congregations and selling KHs. Circuit overseers (costing $$$$) will be reduced as the number of circuits is also reduced.

Mid week meeting will likely be online and a lot of JWs will thank Jay for such fine thoughtful blessing

D2D preaching will remain but as someone posted a few years back that the monthly ministry report will be abandoned. That means less pressure to preach and there will be no shame of reporting 1 or 2 hours per month. Another blessing from Jehovah. This is likely a possibility since they have reduced the magazines to only 3 per year. How are you going to preach(make your hours) without magazines?

Pioneering will continue but the hours are between you are Jah. This is already happening with pioneers told to abandon their monthly hourly requirement because of the pandemic.

More people will be kicked out of bethel and translation offices as they move from paper to video. There is also a good chance that public WT will be abandoned.

DFing will stay.

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The Patriarchy Paradox

by LoveUniHateExams in

^^^ this is the title of a youtube video made by a teacher of 16 and 17 year old eton students.

he made it as a study aid with the idea being that it would stimulate debate.. eton superiors told him to remove it from the lessons, which the teacher did.

they then told him to remove it from his personal youtube account, which he refused.

iXav

I thought you were going to discuss his sacking. The teacher could have made the video private on youtube and just move on. He was probably trying to make a point and he has the right to do so.

What I found particularly interesting re Eton's reaction to this video is that Eton itself is an institute committed to the development of boys - it's an all-boys fee-paying school. Strange, then, that Eton should seemingly hate masculinity, lol.
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Hate masculinity is a strong conclusion. If you were to ask people from different generations what their opinion of what masculinity is, most response will lean on societal ideas of their upbringing and environment. The older you are, the more your views of masculinity will be aligned with woman staying and home and the man being the bread winner. Younger generation will likely not share that point of view.

We have ironed out many wrinkles (in the West, at least, women enjoy the same rights as men) but we can't turn society upside down and expect to thrive.

The above is debatable and it also depends on where you live in the West. The fact that women have certain rights doesn't mean they are allowed to exercise them in the same way as men. Women have the rights to go topless in certain parts of the West but they have to cover their nipples (see the freethenipple movement ). Then you have society call those women whore.

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Woke Oscars cringe

by LoveUniHateExams in

actors' acceptance speeches have often been a little dodgy - viewers don't care what political or social views actors may have, we typically appreciate actors acting well.. this year's oscars awards ceremony seems to be going above and beyond, however.. here's frances mcdormand's acceptance speech, in which she dedicates her victory to 'our wolf' and then howls like a bitch, lol.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-_be0awgwk.

iXav

we all care about Hollywood even if we don't want to admit it. There is something fascinating about rich out of touch celebrities. The fact that we are even commenting on this thread is a sign

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Headship and WT's Changed Understanding

by Bobcat in

i don't think anyone has mentioned that the february 2021 study wt (p. 15, 16; par.

8) changed wt's long standing view on headship within the congregation.

wt used to view all baptized males as being the head of all baptized sisters.. this view led to such absurdities as a sister having to wear a head covering on a bible study because her baptized 10 year old son was sitting in on the study with her.

iXav

The problem with most of with WT say regarding headship is stretched as far as they can take it.

Where does the bible say that if a way has a baptized son that the son should be the one to say the prayer and lead worship?

Whatever happens to "do not go beyond what is written"?

Most of what was said in the Bible relates to the congregation but trust the GB to try to get into your house and mess things up for you.

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What Will Happen If You Do NOT Get The Covid Vaccinations?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we are encouraged to all, if possible, get the vaccinations.

if you don’t, we are told that we definitely could get the virus.

fair enough.. but what happens if you decide you aren’t going to get the shots?

iXav

that is why it is still recommended to take precaution even after you have been vaccinated, you can still get sick