Posts by Bobcat

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Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

by Tenacious in

for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

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happy reading!.

Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

by Tenacious in

for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

.

happy reading!.

Bobcat

Many thanks. Unfortunately both links point to the CoC book.

Thanks again.

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The glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the Great Crowd

by deegee in

there is a glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the great crowd (gc):.

the gc will experience:.

1. the great tribulation - a gruelling/horrifying time which has never occurred before.. 2. armageddon.. 3. a thousand years of “loving” molding and refinement.. 4. a second armageddon at the end of the thousand years.. the 144,000 will experience none of these things.. isn't it strange that the gc has to prove themself so much but the 144,000 don't???!!!

Bobcat

The problem is really the WT's interpretation. See the various links in my post here. Some of the same research was also posted here.

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Signatures on posts

by Simon in

can i please ask people not to repeated signatures on their posts.. i have pm'd a few people directly with the request as i've noticed them but i guess the inevitable "explain why / show it's fair" means i need to make it publicly to all .... everyone's name and avatar is already displayed next to each post made so anything added at the bottom is really superfluous and just reduces readability on smaller devices where screen-real-estate is already at a premium.

if the layout is redesigned for mobile devices with the poster name at the bottom then it looks kind-of stupid (e.g.

"said simon - simon ...").

Bobcat

Ditto what Smiddy said. Never even thought it before.

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Request For Awake 1946 3/27 page 16 - Explanation of 1Tim 6:15-16

by Bobcat in

i am endeavoring to find a digital copy of the 1946 awake (consolation?

) issue 3/27 page 16.

("3/27" was how the wt pubs index had it.).

Bobcat

First of all, to everyone who responded, WOW! Thank you all for the info and links. And Splash for providing much more detail than I had found. It appears that the 'understanding' sways back and forth.

Aside from your responses, this reminds me of my one 'questions from readers' that I sent in to the Society. It was never published in the magazines, but I did get a polite letter back in the mail a few months later. I asked about a particular verse in the Bible. I quoted the few WT publications that commented on it (that covered about a 50 year period) and then I asked them what reasoning led them to their conclusion on the verse.

The reply, while polite, was maddening. It basically said, 'the publications say so-and-so' (I told them in the letter what the publications said; I wanted to know WHY they said it). At the end of the letter was a tactful, yet definite, reminder to keep in mind the more important things. They patted me on the head and told to remember to be a good little boy.

I should have realized that the person answering the letter was probably under strict orders to simply stick with what the pubs say. Somehow I imagined a truth loving organization that would be happy to expound on its published beliefs.

A couple of years later an MTS brother who seemed to have a lot of connections was assigned to our area. I was still trying to research older WT publications to find the answer to my question. There was a reference to a 1931 WT that I had no access to, so I asked this brother if he could ask one of his friends in Bethel if I could get a scan or xerox of the 1931 article. He said he would check. Some time passed, months. I was patient but I finally asked the MTS brother about it. He told me (only after I had asked) that they didn't have time for that.

And thus, my awakening process was in full swing . . .

How ironic the flood of responses to my request here. Thank you all!

Bobcat

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Request For Awake 1946 3/27 page 16 - Explanation of 1Tim 6:15-16

by Bobcat in

i am endeavoring to find a digital copy of the 1946 awake (consolation?

) issue 3/27 page 16.

("3/27" was how the wt pubs index had it.).

Bobcat

OrphanCrow:

Thank you very much.

Bobcat

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Request For Awake 1946 3/27 page 16 - Explanation of 1Tim 6:15-16

by Bobcat in

i am endeavoring to find a digital copy of the 1946 awake (consolation?

) issue 3/27 page 16.

("3/27" was how the wt pubs index had it.).

Bobcat

I am endeavoring to find a digital copy of the 1946 Awake (Consolation?) issue 3/27 page 16. ("3/27" was how the WT pubs Index had it.)

What I am looking for is a quote with context of how they explained who 1 Tim 6:15-16 is referring to.

This particular publication seems to be in the center (timewise) of a change in belief on this subject. Here is what I have so far:

w1931 p. 75 - Applies to Jehovah

w1932 p. 58 - Applies to Jehovah

hp42 p.44 - Applies to both (1942 "Hope in a Righteous World" - see it here)

w1948 p. 347 - Applies to Jesus

So the 1946 Awake/Consolation is at a strategic point in this changeover. So far I haven't been able to find a digital copy of the magazine. The archive websites I had bookmarked seem to have closed down.

If anyone can provide a copy of a paragraph or two, or a link for downloading I would very much appreciate it.

Bobcat

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Big Boldfaced Lie in Meeting Workbook for August 1-7, 2016

by SAHS in

jw
friends

there is a fundamental lie which i couldn’t help noticing today in the our christian life and ministry—meeting workbook for august 1-7, 2016. it is in the little supplemental page considered this week under the title “improving our skills in the ministry—helping bible students to progress to dedication and baptism,” in the first paragraph (labelled “why important”), third sentence.

here is that sentence:.

“a christian’s dedication is to jehovah—not to a human, a work, or an organization.”.

Bobcat

It is interesting also the emphasis on "dedication" as a singular act or goal. But look in the article and see if you can find a single verse that describes this. Verses for baptism can be found, but not for an act of dedication.

I think Mt 16:24 is sometimes used which roughly describes the need for disciples of Jesus to be 'dedicated' (as an adjective). But there is no explicit instruction to perform a 'dedication' ceremony, nor any example in the NT of anyone doing this. Yet WT is insistent that this is a necessary prerequisite to baptism.

The Pharisees were also good at turning general instructions into specific ritual acts.

Bobcat

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What the Org Teaches #7 Birthdays

by The Searcher in

#7 birthdays.

what the org teaches: .

"the bible never refers to a servant of god celebrating a birthday.

Bobcat

For those interested, and to bolster Searcher's point about birthdays, In the Hebrew construction of Job 1:4 his children hold a feast each one on "his day." (See Heb. here.) In Job 3:1, according to the NWT, Job curses "the day of his birth." But the Hebrew has literally (and so does the NWT footnote) "his day" (See Heb. here.) The writer of Job saw no need to explain what "his day" meant for his children. But Job 3:3 clearly explains that "his day" in Job 3:1 meant "the day . . . on which I was born." (See Heb. here.)

Bobcat

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What the Org Teaches #7 Birthdays

by The Searcher in

#7 birthdays.

what the org teaches: .

"the bible never refers to a servant of god celebrating a birthday.

Bobcat

Searcher:

Thanks for the references to "his own day." Good 'searching'!

Bobcat