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  October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

  by wifibandit in

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  october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

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  Bobcat

  In 1Co 16:2 the rNWT has left out "in your house." The better mss don't have the phrase. Nor does the phrase make sense. Why would the writer need to tell people which day of the week to store something in their own house? The verse is referring to where they meet at, which was typically on the first day of the week. (See how other modern Bibles render the verse here.)

  It seems odd for them to capitalize on this phrase, seeing how they already determined to remove it in the revised version of the NWT. The letter makes mention of "in your house" and exploits this phrase to try to involve all members of one's household. This would be really crass if it isn't fake.
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  Many Witnesses are just plain tired out!

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
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  i believe that many witnesses are tired out or at least tiring out.

  i know....... because i am tired out!.

  imagine going to college for 20 years not knowing when college is finished.

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  Bobcat

  I remember an elder who used to sort of brag from the stage that 'we never graduate from the theocratic ministry school.' At least in part, he helped me begin the process of waking up.

  Reminds me of this scene (sorry, couldn't find it in english):

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9QwMXj9P9k
  
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  Using history as a means to pinpoint possible future events.

  by HealthySkeptic in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the purpose of this thread is to share some history with the community.

  i am an active jw.

  the reason i picked this forum is due to the openness and ease with which information can be accessed.

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  Bobcat

  Hi HS,

  I'm looking forward to seeing how you attempt to tie things/history together. This is an intriguing thread title you chose.

  Hebrews 1:2; 11:3 & Romans 13:1 all suggest that human history has in some way been orchestrated or managed by God. So, in theory at least, one might be able to observe a pattern and/or some sort of organization to how history has played out so far, with an eye towards the future. But getting the right perspective or point of view so that it all comes into focus may be the most difficult thing.

  At any rate, looking forward to what you present with interest.
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  Who is "the faithfully and discreet slave"?

  by Counter-Watchtower in

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  ive asked my jw friends that 3 times and never got an answer.. and can someone explain the jw class system?

  and or point me to info on it..

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  Bobcat

  Here is a comparison I did of the "faithful & discreet slave" parable in the synoptic gospels (Luke, Mark, & Matthew). I'll let the reader decide how it compares with the WT's explanation of the parable.

  The whole thread in the link is about this topic.
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  Explain the annual meeting please

  by carla in

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  2. beliefs

  can someone please explain the annual meeting to me?

  it takes place tomorrow from what i gather.

  does this mean they still do fs in the morning?

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  Bobcat

  Thanks sir82 for the extra insight.
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  Explain the annual meeting please

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
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  can someone please explain the annual meeting to me?

  it takes place tomorrow from what i gather.

  does this mean they still do fs in the morning?

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  Bobcat

  If I understand correctly, the "annual meeting" is something corporations do to keep shareholders up to date on how the 'business' is doing. It might even be government mandated. See here and here.

  In the case of the WT, they have always held these. Its just that the R&F would always find out about what happened afterwards. But with KHs having video equipment now, the WT invites the R&F to watch (and donate).
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  KH dedication

  by stan livedeath in

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  correct me if i'm wrong--.

  when a new-build or existing property is acquired for use as a kingdom hall----is it still the custom to have a sort of "dedication to jehovah" type of service ?.

  if it is--what happens when the property is sold ?

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  if it is--what happens when the property is sold ? is it de-dedicated ?

  This is interesting. When it comes to dedication and baptism, the Society says a person's dedication cannot be recalled or undone. Building 'dedications' on the part of the Society are a sham.
  
  
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  J.W.'s reliance on Matthew 24:14

  by The Fall Guy in

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  virtually every j.w.

  will gladly tell you that matthew 24:14 proves that only they are god's true people/religion, because they are the only people preaching the good news worldwide today.

  crucially, they double-down on this lame bet by adding that their worldwide preaching proves another wtbts teaching, namely, that we are living in "the last days.

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  Bobcat

  Hi Fall Guy,

  If you are interested take a look at my posts on this thread (on another site), and especially this post which tries to show how Mt 24:14 and Mt 24:31 complement each other. (Mt 24:14 fulfilled before the Roman-Jewish War; Mt 24:31 afterwards.)
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  J.W.'s reliance on Matthew 24:14

  by The Fall Guy in

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  virtually every j.w.

  will gladly tell you that matthew 24:14 proves that only they are god's true people/religion, because they are the only people preaching the good news worldwide today.

  crucially, they double-down on this lame bet by adding that their worldwide preaching proves another wtbts teaching, namely, that we are living in "the last days.

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  Bobcat

  You could add Romans 16:25-26 to the evidence that Mt 24:14 was fulfilled in the first century:

  25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mysterythat had been kept secret for long ages, 26 but now is disclosed, and through the prophetic scriptures has been made known to all the nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedienceof faith –
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  What is the Baptism all about?

  by Old Navy in

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  does the act of baptism make us a "member" of any group or organization?

  or, is it something much greater in its purpose?.

  when we as former jws came to the truthful conclusion that what the wtborg cult inc. was teaching/preaching was not an accurate representation of the word, many of us decided to look into every nook and cranny to see if we could discover the real truth.

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  Bobcat

  See my first and second posts on this thread for some background on WT baptism. I find it telling that the WT never references Romans 6:1-7 when speaking of baptism. Never. For the WT, baptism is an initiation rite to "associate" with them. By being baptized you become someone who is granted permission to 'associate with God's spirit directed organization.'