the following is the talk of the assembly followed by my 15 minutes commentary.i have included part of my notes below which i used for the commentary .
what is the hailstone message?.
is it literal or symbolic?.
Hi jwdoctrine,
As usual with many other subjects, the WT speaker makes no attempt to explain or show why the hailstones in the verse equate with a "message." This is just one of those things that "we know."
The closest thing to a post Babylon the Great message in Revelation is Rev 19:5-8. But there is only praise to God mentioned there.
important note: i am not a theist and this is all meaningless of course from an atheist perspective, but this critique is written from a theistic perspective for those who are interested in picking apart jw theology or are still religious.
if this is not you, please just ignore!.
comments, additions, corrections to my crazy ramblings all welcome.
Satan and the demons have other limitations. For example, nowhere do the scriptures indicate that they can read the mind or heart of an individual. Only Jehovah and Jesus are spoken of as having that ability.”
How do we know this? Just because it is not explicitly stated that they have this ability does not mean they don’t. Again, we have pure speculation. An argument from ignorance. An assumption about something we do not have the facts to confirm or disconfirm. If Jesus can do it and he is just an angel too, why can’t Satan? Is this a skill all spirit beings naturally have, or was it a special skill God gave only to Jesus? The Bible doesn’t say. If Satan can influence a person’s thinking then it stands to reason he can also read their thinking… who is to say this telepathic process is only one-way? If he can put thoughts into their head, why can’t he take them out?This was an interesting part of this WT study. As you mention, the point is made via an argument from silence. One of the things very interesting to me is the fact that humans themselves have shown some ability to "read minds." A lie detector is one such example.
a very strange article, suggestive.. what do you think about it?.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2018/1918-one-hundred-years-ago/.
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what i'm about to describe may have some bearing on the question of motives in the organization and the degree to which the governing body or the high-ranking men beneath them are self-aware.
a few months before the organization began teaching that the faithful slave meant the governing body and not the 144,000, so around early 2013, a circuit overseer visited one of the congregations where i was gathering data.
he introduced this teaching subtly in two of his three talks (the extra midweek meeting, the midweek meeting, and the weekend meeting).
With regard to the WT introducing the new F&DS belief (that the GB is it) here is a short clip showing how to introduce new ideas. And here: here is the WT article that presented the new F&DS dogma. Note how the first 2 paragraphs are used to transition the (captive) audience to make them ready for the idea.
what i'm about to describe may have some bearing on the question of motives in the organization and the degree to which the governing body or the high-ranking men beneath them are self-aware.
a few months before the organization began teaching that the faithful slave meant the governing body and not the 144,000, so around early 2013, a circuit overseer visited one of the congregations where i was gathering data.
he introduced this teaching subtly in two of his three talks (the extra midweek meeting, the midweek meeting, and the weekend meeting).
I think there are other threads on changed WT doctrines that indicate a 'subtle shift' method is used. Sometimes it starts simply by not mentioning the old, to-be-replaced doctrine, so that it sort of recedes out of the memory a bit. Then after a few years of quiet regarding that doctrine, the new idea is slowly fed in.
I noticed this method with the JW.Org TV thing. Originally the whole internet was spoken against. Slowly the JW.TV idea was brought in as a great idea. Now I hear speakers taking the tone that you are not keeping up if JW.TV is not a part of your life.
Their methods say a lot about how the GB view the R&F.
gdpr congregation record of processing activities: https://1drv.ms/f/s!amcrvjcxi6m6gx7oc1gksxolaeae.
...and associated files.... .
letter to boe dated january 6, 2017: https://1drv.ms/b/s!amcrvjcxi6m6gxyqlciog-dt815_.
Marked. Thanks Fey.
over the years i have come across different writings that suggest a total difference in how the chosen people of israel and the jewish religion of today with the "old testament" viewed "satan" and how the many of christendoms religions including the jehovah`s witnesses view satan in the bible .. they seem to be at odds with each other ?.
does the christian greek scriptures " new testament" contradict the hebrew scriptures of the "old testament " about who or what satan is ?.
the israelite`s /jews were gods chosen people for 4,000 years wouldn`t /shouldn`t they know better about satan than the christian religion that usurped the jewish religion ?.
Hi smiddy,
What were some of the differences in opinion that you noted?
2016 hong kong branch meeting [1 of 9].
https://rutube.ru/video/d8ccb9410edfbc95542b252bc67c173a/.
2016 hong kong branch meeting [2 of 9].
Anyone have tech advice for watching rutube on a Chromebook? All I get is a black screen.
never have understood why sudden destruction most come after announcement of peace and security.
is not peace and security a good thing?
can someone give a logical answer to it..
leaked: whq financial contacts meeting ref.2018-2019 [part 1 of 3] https://youtu.be/xbt05m5jeu4leaked: whq financial contacts meeting ref.2018-2019 [part 2 of 3] https://youtu.be/kyn3qknztbqleaked: whq financial contacts meeting ref.2018-2019 [part 3 of 3] https://youtu.be/euxpdckevdw.
in this 3-part leaked video meeting, financial contacts from various departments are informed of how to get on board with the financial changes needed for 2018-2019, and protocols for managing financial responsibilities are outlined.. these clips are unedited, so feel free to add comments..
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