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  Getting disfellowshipped to marry and return

  by confused in

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  i was just wondering if there is any official rules on dealing with this.

  a sister in the congregation is planning to divorce her husband who is also a witness so she can marry a different brother in the same hall!

  yes this is a huge scandal!

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  Look in the w83 3/15 pp. 27-31, especially under the sub-title "Scriptural Divorce".
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  Michael the Archangel and Jesus same person? Start of Blondie researching

  by blondie in

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  i was reading something else on jwn and remembered why i started questioning wts definite statements of fact.. i was asked by a non-jw to prove these 2 points from the scripture:.

  1. when did the 2,300 days in daniel 8:13,14 start?

  this scripture therefore suggests that jesus himself is the archangel michael.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=jesus+michael+archangel&p=sen.

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  Hi Blondie,

  I researched the 2300 evenings and mornings of Dan 8:13-14 in relation to the Jewish-Roman War of 66-73 AD. The connection to the Jewish-Roman War is Jesus' words at Mt 24:15 which connects the prophecy in Daniel about the abomination of desolation.

  So, based on that connection I took the related prophecies in Daniel and researched if I could find any relation with that 1st century war. You will find the research starting on this post (which is post # 232) and extending on down to post # 249, if you are interested.
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  "The Former Things Will Not Be Called to Mind” How Can This work!

  by The Bethelite in

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  my previous thread talked about how the jws believe that jah will magically remove all memories of their dead loved ones in the "new system.

  " thus no sorrow.

  ok so god will erase all memories of your dead children from your mind.

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  Is it possible that the problem is not so much the Bible as the WT explanation?

  For example, Isa 65:16-17 does not actually say that God will erase memories. The meaning might be that there will be good times to such an extent that the past troubles will fade into the background, no longer being a concern.

  Even today people tend to put their past troubles behind them when good times come. They, no doubt, remember what happened in the past. But present good times mean that they don't dwell on the past.
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  Assembly Question

  by Marphiny in

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  i just recently attended a circuit assembly and they asked that you did not share any video with anyone and i’m just wondering why this is .

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  Question: Is there any legal strength behind their instruction not to share videos of the assemblies and conventions? Or are they just saying it and hoping their perceived authority compels people to obey?

  They are renting/owning the facility. But the gathering is open to the public as advertised by them. I was curious about the legal issues of letting people video but instructing them not to share.
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  Spiritual 'Pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a JW 'JUDICIAL COMMITTEE'

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

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  spiritual 'pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a jw 'judicial committee'.

  'regular' jw's attending a 'judicial committee' automatically and without realising it, both admit to a 'wrongdoing' and 'subject themselves' to jw .org-inisation 'elders'.. it has also been well-documented that jw .org is 'coming after long--term inactive ones, that are causing 'divisions'.. there is a greater emphasis being put on 'shunning' those labelled with 'apostate' (behaviour).. the 'slanderous' naming and shaming of (former) members who have questioned the jw.

  org-inisation is relentlessly being propagated in both publications and their gatherings, such as their ironically named 'love never fails' 2019 convention.. ironically, the scriptures they often refer to such as the one at titus 3:10 the original greek word hairetikos, which is translated to the the word “heretic,.

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  Marked. I feel for you Marina. I wish you peace.
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  607 date of Jerusalems destruction

  by benny in

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  i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

  in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

  your thoughts please..

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  Marked for Babylonian time line.
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  607 date of Jerusalems destruction

  by benny in

  1. watchtower
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  i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

  in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

  your thoughts please..

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  The difference between 587 and 586 bce is explained in this Wikipedia article (especially footnote # 2). It does not have anything to do with the chronology that leads up to the start of the Babylonian siege.

  Trying to use the question of 587 or 586 as a basis for throwing doubt on an entire established chronology is a form of grasping at straws.

  This post (from another site) also shows how non-WT dating gives greater insight into a few other things in the Bible. The WT has traded away better understanding in order to have a chronology that ostensibly supports their supposed place in history.
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  607 date of Jerusalems destruction

  by benny in

  1. watchtower
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  i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

  in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

  your thoughts please..

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  Bobcat

  Here is Carl Olaf Jonsson's book. He has it as a free PDF on his website.

  And here is another (inexpensive) book that arrives at 587/86 bce for the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians. This book approaches the subject from a different direction than COJ's book. Theile puts together the chronologies of the Hebrew kings starting from the split in the kingdom down to Zedekiah and arrives at the same date as Jonsson. Combined, both books make the 587/86 conclusion beyond any doubt.

  Poster "Scholar" is in his own dream world. You can't reason with people who don't want to reason.
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  “Bablyon the Great has Fallen”

  by lastmanstanding in

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  2. bible

  what have you not heard lately?.

  .... no discussion on “babylon’s fall”.

  by 1919 it was apparent that jehovah had passed judgment on christendom​—and indeed on all false religion.

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  Marked (Thanks for your post Vanderhoven. I'll look it over. I've been of the c. 98 view. But this looks interesting.)
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  "Are natural disasters a sign of the times?" -- Yes, says WT

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  yes, bible prophecies suggest that there would be disasters during “the conclusion of the system of things,” or “the last days.” (matthew 24:3; 2 timothy 3:1) for example, concerning our time, jesus said: “there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.” (matthew 24:7).

  that from their website this morning.. i see how they've morphed (by interpretation) food shortages and earthquakes into virtually all bad happenings today.. i'll bet if the "blue bonnet" (one elder's fractured pronunciation of bubonic during a public talk, using it not once but three times) plague, one of which happened nearly 700 years ago -- was going on today, it would be a sign of the times.

  after all, it "caused the death of 60% of the population of europe".. no natural devastation like that seen since..

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  Bobcat

  On the subject of wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes, Jesus' words to his disciples was to 'watch out that nobody mis-leads them. (Mt 24:4-8) The sign they were to look for (in connection with the destruction of the temple) was in Mt 24:15.

  Natural disasters, wars, famines and diseases would have been naturally viewed back then as indicators of the displeasure of God or the gods. And would naturally lead people to think that some sort of divine judgment was soon to come. Jesus is warning his disciples not to be influenced like that.

  The bright minds at the WT are 'straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel.' You can see that with all the explaining they have to do to get their view to work.