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  In-depth breakdown of the WTF QUOTES from November 2019 Watchtower

  by Fabian1 in

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  13. according to leviticus 9:23, 24, how did jehovah show his approval of the priesthood?.

  when the israelites saw this clear evidence of jehovah’s backing of the priests, they had good reason to give them full support.

  5:18, 19) how can we show our support for the organization that jehovah is using?

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  To Active JW's Who Think Outside the Box: 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12 Reconsidered...

  by MADMARY in

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  2. bible

  watchtower society “contradicts” the bible – where and why?.

  god's word certainly warns anyone who would dare, or be so audacious to deliberately change, twist or distort his holy message of truth by saying:.

  “5 every saying of god is refined.

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  It may not be as blatant as that. The verse starts out, literally, "And through this . . ." (καὶ διὰ τοῦτο . . .).

  Depending on what you take "this" (τοῦτο) as referring to, the next part, "God sends . . ." (literally, "sends himself the God . . ." or "God himself sends . . .") could be understood or interpreted passively, even though the verb "sends" is active (and emphatic also). True, it (the NWT rendering) is a departure from the literal active meaning of "sends." But I think they are interpreting "this" to be referring to what Satan does in verses 9 & 10, and in effect, they are making God the 'passive allower' (if you will).

  In effect, God has put Satan in a position to where Satan sees the need to pursue "this" scheme, and, having put Satan in the position where he needs to do "this", God simply 'allows' or 'lets" Satan proceed to do what was prophetically expected of him.

  I see your point that the verb "sends" is active. And I do appreciate your pointing this out. It is interesting that the NWT engages in a bit of interpretation here. But I don't see it being all that significant in this instance.

  Maybe if I look at your argument a little longer my view will change some.
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  WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

  so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

  , etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

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  Hi Smiddy,

  This post (on another site) has Biblical and historical references I compiled favoring the idea that Satan was cast down in the first century following Jesus' first advent.
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  Jesus brothers and systers

  by asp59 in

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  2. beliefs

  mattew 12; 50 for whoever does the will of my father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”.

  to all jws.

  who are jesus brothers and syster?.

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  Bobcat

  Hi Fall Guy,

  Thanks for the listing.

  Whenever WT wants to define who are Christ's brothers in Mt 25:40 they go to Heb 2:14-16. They can't bother with the closer context because it ruins their deception.
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  Getting disfellowshipped to marry and return

  by confused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just wondering if there is any official rules on dealing with this.

  a sister in the congregation is planning to divorce her husband who is also a witness so she can marry a different brother in the same hall!

  yes this is a huge scandal!

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  Bobcat

  Look in the w83 3/15 pp. 27-31, especially under the sub-title "Scriptural Divorce".
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  Michael the Archangel and Jesus same person? Start of Blondie researching

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  i was reading something else on jwn and remembered why i started questioning wts definite statements of fact.. i was asked by a non-jw to prove these 2 points from the scripture:.

  1. when did the 2,300 days in daniel 8:13,14 start?

  this scripture therefore suggests that jesus himself is the archangel michael.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=jesus+michael+archangel&p=sen.

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  Hi Blondie,

  I researched the 2300 evenings and mornings of Dan 8:13-14 in relation to the Jewish-Roman War of 66-73 AD. The connection to the Jewish-Roman War is Jesus' words at Mt 24:15 which connects the prophecy in Daniel about the abomination of desolation.

  So, based on that connection I took the related prophecies in Daniel and researched if I could find any relation with that 1st century war. You will find the research starting on this post (which is post # 232) and extending on down to post # 249, if you are interested.
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  "The Former Things Will Not Be Called to Mind” How Can This work!

  by The Bethelite in

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  2. friends

  my previous thread talked about how the jws believe that jah will magically remove all memories of their dead loved ones in the "new system.

  " thus no sorrow.

  ok so god will erase all memories of your dead children from your mind.

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  Is it possible that the problem is not so much the Bible as the WT explanation?

  For example, Isa 65:16-17 does not actually say that God will erase memories. The meaning might be that there will be good times to such an extent that the past troubles will fade into the background, no longer being a concern.

  Even today people tend to put their past troubles behind them when good times come. They, no doubt, remember what happened in the past. But present good times mean that they don't dwell on the past.
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  Assembly Question

  by Marphiny in

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  i just recently attended a circuit assembly and they asked that you did not share any video with anyone and i’m just wondering why this is .

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  Question: Is there any legal strength behind their instruction not to share videos of the assemblies and conventions? Or are they just saying it and hoping their perceived authority compels people to obey?

  They are renting/owning the facility. But the gathering is open to the public as advertised by them. I was curious about the legal issues of letting people video but instructing them not to share.
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  Spiritual 'Pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a JW 'JUDICIAL COMMITTEE'

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

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  spiritual 'pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a jw 'judicial committee'.

  'regular' jw's attending a 'judicial committee' automatically and without realising it, both admit to a 'wrongdoing' and 'subject themselves' to jw .org-inisation 'elders'.. it has also been well-documented that jw .org is 'coming after long--term inactive ones, that are causing 'divisions'.. there is a greater emphasis being put on 'shunning' those labelled with 'apostate' (behaviour).. the 'slanderous' naming and shaming of (former) members who have questioned the jw.

  org-inisation is relentlessly being propagated in both publications and their gatherings, such as their ironically named 'love never fails' 2019 convention.. ironically, the scriptures they often refer to such as the one at titus 3:10 the original greek word hairetikos, which is translated to the the word “heretic,.

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  Marked. I feel for you Marina. I wish you peace.
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  607 date of Jerusalems destruction

  by benny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am confused about the time scale regarding the year of the destruction of jerusalem.

  in the 1st october 2011 watchtower an argument is presented to back up 607 bc but there are so many conflicting arguments that this happened 20 years later according to secular sources.

  your thoughts please..

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  Bobcat

  Marked for Babylonian time line.