Posts by Bobcat

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

Bobcat

Crazyguy wrote:

A few years ago they had some new light about the tose of the statue in the book of Daniel and this time they mean nothing. I dont think this new light was do to any pressure other than to throw the R&F a bone.

You might be right about that. The "new light" about the "toes" of Daniel chapter 2 was actually recycled "new light."

*** w78 6/15 p. 13 Human Governments Crushed by God’s Kingdom ***
Tracing the development of the world powers through the image, from head to foot in the stream of time, we see that it begins with Babylon, and progressively goes through Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The “fourth kingdom,” represented in the legs and feet, began with the Roman Empire. As time progressed, the power of this empire waned and the British Empire ascended, it being really an outgrowth from the old Roman Empire. This was so even though there was a vying with certain remnants of the Roman Empire for the position of world power. (Dan. 7:19, 20) There does not appear to be any prophetic significance to the image’s having ten toes. This is a natural human feature, just as the image has two arms, two legs, and so forth.

Maybe they should be charged with false advertising. If I'm going to buy into some "new light," I want it to actually be "new," not "refurbished."

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

Bobcat

This was one of the best examples to me of the WT's prediction methods.

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Who Created God? August 1, 2014 w-- images of God?

by factfinder in

if you look closely at the picture on page 15 there seem to be several weird faces!

is this the art dept.

illustrating what jehovah really looks like?

Bobcat

I kinda think it's the facial recognition 'software' in one's own mind. We are hardwired, so to speak, to recognize faces. So we tend to see faces where there aren't any because of features in a picture that resemble faces. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu7ssnK7UW8

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Head coverings for women

by Comatose in

my mom used to throw a paper napkin on her head when forcing us to study after i was baptised.

i've seen scarves, and shawls, and a very few hats.. isn't using a napkin on your head just the same as not bothering?

what a dumb rule too.

Bobcat

In connection with "headship," which is the basis for the WT headcovering idea, see here.

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The Spirits of God

by Stephen Levi in

revelation, chapter 1, 4: john to the seven churches which are in asia: grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which are before his throne;.

revelation, chapter 3, 1: and unto the angel of the church in sardis write; these things saith he that hath the seven spirits of god, and the seven stars; i know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

revelation, chapter 4, 5: and out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of god.

Bobcat

Supposing that the intent is to contrast the "seven spirits" of Revelation with the singular "spirit" mentioned elsewhere, here is a little from the BECNT-Revelation (Grant R. Osborne, p.61):

The second source, "the seven spirits that are before his [God's] throne," is also debated. While many think the Πνευμάτων (pneumaton, spirits) are angels (see additional notes for details), it is better to see this in light of Isa. 11:2 LXX (which adds a seventh virtue, "godliness," to the six in the MT) and Zech 4:2, 10 (with seven lamps as "the eyes of the LORD, which range throughout the earth") as referring to the "sevenfold Holy Spirit," with seven emphasizing the Spirit's perfect work (so also De Smidt 1994: 241). The key is Zech. 4:6, where the "LORD Almighty" defines this action as "not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit." As Baukham (1993a: 110-11) brings out, the Spirit then is the means by which God will destroy the might and power of the dragon and the beast. Three other texts mention "the seven spirits": in Rev 3:1 Christ "holds the seven spirits of God," showing that he is the Spirit of Christ; in 4:5 seven lamps are blazing before the throne of God, and in 5:6 the "sevenfold Spirit" is characterized even more closely with Zechariah, as the Lamb is described as having "seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth, building on the "seven lamps . . . sent out" in Zech 4:2. The sevenfold Spirit is both "of God" (3:1; 4:5) and of the Lamb (5:6). Swete (1911: 6) believes that the sevenfold nature of the Spirit here is also due to the fact that he ministers to the seven churches of Asia, where the Spirit is the basis of the message and the key to their understanding and obedience ("hear what the Spirit says to the churches").

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The Spirits of God

by Stephen Levi in

revelation, chapter 1, 4: john to the seven churches which are in asia: grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which are before his throne;.

revelation, chapter 3, 1: and unto the angel of the church in sardis write; these things saith he that hath the seven spirits of god, and the seven stars; i know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

revelation, chapter 4, 5: and out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of god.

Bobcat

I'm with Perry. My curiosity is piqued but I'm not sure what direction this is going.

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Great Crowd Survivors will be Maimed, Lame, and have one eye

by Quarterback in

it's official.

the saturday convention program has a talk.

it is titled arrive maimed, lame, and with one eye.

Bobcat

I'm guessing it is a talk about getting rid of anything that might keep one from entering into life based on Matthew 18:8, 9.

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Keep Seeking First God's Kingdom - RC 2014 - Sunday

by OwnAccord in

a world without satan (revelation 20:2,3,7,10).

romans 12- joy in the kingdom hope.

the spirit.. demonstration: family worship.

Bobcat

Bats said:

Something is not right: By the year 2014 JCs Kingdom rule is either only 900 years or it will be 1,100 years long.

See here

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"Keep Seeking First God's Kingdom! Regional Convention 2014 - releases and info

by OwnAccord in

info from someone at the regional convention:.

(sorry about the format).

matthew 6:33 keep on seeking first the kingdom.

Bobcat

For reference:

2014 DC notes - Friday, Saturday, Sunday

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One way could be showing how absurd their concept is when trying to answer the question, Blondie.

by jam in

jw
friends

Bobcat

Jam:

"Angels marrying women"

Just as another possibility in the account - The term "wives" in Genesis 6:2 could also be rendered "women" or "concubines" or "female slaves." Most translators seem to render it "wives" (see here; possibly because the verse uses the verb "took"), but the language does not require that. Also, nothing in the context or any related verse (such as 1Pe 3:20; 2Pe 2:4; Jude 6) actually says that these angels lived as humans.

The term "have relations" (Hebrew yā-ḇō-’ū; Strong's 935) in Genesis 6:4 is literally "come in." This is the only place that the word is used in a sexual sense. One Jewish Torah/Commentary (I didn't write down which; I saw it in a bookstore) suggests that the word in the context of Gen 6:4 carries the idea of an invasion, as normally, a man with a harem would bring the woman he intends to lay down with to his tent (as opposed to the tent the women would stay in).

Moreover, Genesis 6:4 says, "the Neph′i·lim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the [true] God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they [i.e. the Neph′i·lim] were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame."

It was "the Neph′i·lim" who "proved to be in the earth in those days" when the "sons of the [true] God" were doing their thing. If "the sons of the [true] God" are angels, the phrasing very much allows for them to be doing their deeds intransit (so to speak). And it seems to me that if the angels had materialized and lived as humans, then, they would have been "the men of fame" rather than the hybrid Neph′i·lim.

Finally, it doesn't seem logical to me that they would give up their superior abilities as angels when they could materialize and de-materialize at will (based on the accounts of other angels in the Bible who had taken human form temporarily).