Posts by Bobcat

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Donation of blood fractions

by why144000 in

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this may be the wrong area for this but here goes.. if you went to a bank and told them " i don't have an account with you, i never will have an account with you and i will tell people you are a terrible bank" then ask not for a loan from them, but a gift of a lot of money, how do you think they would respond?.

yet, witnesses now have the the ability to take blood fractions from the blood bank without ever contributing to the blood bank.

there is a process that the blood bank takes just the plasma from a donor to be used for fractions only.

Bobcat

TD said:

Well, this isn't to say that I don't think very highly of people like Kerry Louderback-Wood and her excellent article in The Journal of Church and State several years ago, but from what I've observed, the highest quality of argumentation against the transfusion medicine taboo occured between the years 1996 and 1999, when Dr. Muramoto and others working with him got articles published in major medical journals

Is any of this online so that it can be referenced?

BTW, thank you for the information.

Take Care

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Congregation rebels!

by A.proclaimer in

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my congregation got a reminder today to start donating money.

elder said that after the letter on the new donation arrangement was read, the contributions for that fund went from the average (i believe it was $500 or so) to $0.

after that reminder, cash was put into those boxes.

Bobcat

yeah, I always wondered why does God need money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDf2-EfMRAM

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CONGREGATION FLEECING RESULTS?

by The Searcher in

how much did your congregation and its bank account get taken for?

share your horror story!.

Bobcat

Sir82 , I thought the KH property deeds have been in the Society's name for 2 or 3 years now. Was I wrong?

I posted about this here. The articles/bylaws are passed via resolution by the title holding congregation only. And only a majority of those present need vote for it. Thus, where I'm at, there are three congregations. But only one voted on the bylaws. This congregation has nearly 80 publishers, but only 44 adult publishers were present the night of the vote. So it would have taken only 23 to vote for it to pass it. (Of course, the vote was unanimous as far as I could tell - minus one abstention.)

The articles don't actually transfer the ownership to the Society. Instead, they say that if the title holding congregation is dissolved (something only the WT could do) then the property goes to the Society after all debts are serviced.

In an informal polling, I could only find two people who had actually read the articles, myself and one of my close relatives - and him/her only because I pointed them out. They were allowed to hang on the info board for two weeks prior to the vote. The cong. was told they would be there.

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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon

by Waiting4TheKingdom in

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five events to come and to watch for:.

1 world leaders say peace and security!

- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.

Bobcat

Waiting4TheKingdom

World leaders say “Peace and security!” - They "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this. This will be proclaimed on a global scale

This thread offers a different look at 1 Thess. 5:3 here.

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The City of Nazareth, and interesting find.

by Crazyguy in

i was watching a video on youtube about chistianity and its founding and it came to my attention that the city of nazareth did not even excist when jesus was said to be alive.

it was'nt really anything accept a cemetary until about 200 ad.

so just like the city of goshen were the israelites were said to be from when they left egypt during the exodus, looks like another major flaw in the bible..

Bobcat

I posted some research material about Nazareth and Jesus being called a Nazarene.

Here was poster "Terry's" initial post in which he asks for answers to some questions, one of which was about Nazareth.

My replies can be found here, here, here, and here.

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

Bobcat

Crazyguy wrote:

A few years ago they had some new light about the tose of the statue in the book of Daniel and this time they mean nothing. I dont think this new light was do to any pressure other than to throw the R&F a bone.

You might be right about that. The "new light" about the "toes" of Daniel chapter 2 was actually recycled "new light."

*** w78 6/15 p. 13 Human Governments Crushed by God’s Kingdom ***
Tracing the development of the world powers through the image, from head to foot in the stream of time, we see that it begins with Babylon, and progressively goes through Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The “fourth kingdom,” represented in the legs and feet, began with the Roman Empire. As time progressed, the power of this empire waned and the British Empire ascended, it being really an outgrowth from the old Roman Empire. This was so even though there was a vying with certain remnants of the Roman Empire for the position of world power. (Dan. 7:19, 20) There does not appear to be any prophetic significance to the image’s having ten toes. This is a natural human feature, just as the image has two arms, two legs, and so forth.

Maybe they should be charged with false advertising. If I'm going to buy into some "new light," I want it to actually be "new," not "refurbished."

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

Bobcat

This was one of the best examples to me of the WT's prediction methods.

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Who Created God? August 1, 2014 w-- images of God?

by factfinder in

if you look closely at the picture on page 15 there seem to be several weird faces!

is this the art dept.

illustrating what jehovah really looks like?

Bobcat

I kinda think it's the facial recognition 'software' in one's own mind. We are hardwired, so to speak, to recognize faces. So we tend to see faces where there aren't any because of features in a picture that resemble faces. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu7ssnK7UW8

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Head coverings for women

by Comatose in

my mom used to throw a paper napkin on her head when forcing us to study after i was baptised.

i've seen scarves, and shawls, and a very few hats.. isn't using a napkin on your head just the same as not bothering?

what a dumb rule too.

Bobcat

In connection with "headship," which is the basis for the WT headcovering idea, see here.

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The Spirits of God

by Stephen Levi in

revelation, chapter 1, 4: john to the seven churches which are in asia: grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which are before his throne;.

revelation, chapter 3, 1: and unto the angel of the church in sardis write; these things saith he that hath the seven spirits of god, and the seven stars; i know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

revelation, chapter 4, 5: and out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of god.

Bobcat

Supposing that the intent is to contrast the "seven spirits" of Revelation with the singular "spirit" mentioned elsewhere, here is a little from the BECNT-Revelation (Grant R. Osborne, p.61):

The second source, "the seven spirits that are before his [God's] throne," is also debated. While many think the Πνευμάτων (pneumaton, spirits) are angels (see additional notes for details), it is better to see this in light of Isa. 11:2 LXX (which adds a seventh virtue, "godliness," to the six in the MT) and Zech 4:2, 10 (with seven lamps as "the eyes of the LORD, which range throughout the earth") as referring to the "sevenfold Holy Spirit," with seven emphasizing the Spirit's perfect work (so also De Smidt 1994: 241). The key is Zech. 4:6, where the "LORD Almighty" defines this action as "not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit." As Baukham (1993a: 110-11) brings out, the Spirit then is the means by which God will destroy the might and power of the dragon and the beast. Three other texts mention "the seven spirits": in Rev 3:1 Christ "holds the seven spirits of God," showing that he is the Spirit of Christ; in 4:5 seven lamps are blazing before the throne of God, and in 5:6 the "sevenfold Spirit" is characterized even more closely with Zechariah, as the Lamb is described as having "seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth, building on the "seven lamps . . . sent out" in Zech 4:2. The sevenfold Spirit is both "of God" (3:1; 4:5) and of the Lamb (5:6). Swete (1911: 6) believes that the sevenfold nature of the Spirit here is also due to the fact that he ministers to the seven churches of Asia, where the Spirit is the basis of the message and the key to their understanding and obedience ("hear what the Spirit says to the churches").

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