Disfellowshipping has differing effects on everyone.
For some it is devestating enough that suicide is their only perceived option to end the pain.
Yes I blame the cult.
And its an all too familiar story.
blame the cult.
blame the cult.
blame the cult.. suicide is a very complicated behavior.. mental health professionals caution against assigning blame when people kill themselves.. being disfellowshipped is a life stress and some people are not equipped mentally to handle it.
Disfellowshipping has differing effects on everyone.
For some it is devestating enough that suicide is their only perceived option to end the pain.
Yes I blame the cult.
And its an all too familiar story.
and i am finding the adjustment to the real world far more difficult than i ever imagined...i f...it has been about five years since i totally woke up to the fraudulant nwt and then all my other doubts i had carried for years were proved true as well.
but almost all of my few friends are exjw or slack jw's and i feel so isolated...my sons friends are mostly exjw too but not their gf's and they have way more normal friends .
how have you done at replacing lifelong friends and family?
So Sad. RIP
our friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
This provided some backstory....
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/205700/1/so-oompa-got-dfd-this-week
I am so sorry for him and his family. I am flooded with emotion being reminded of my father's suicide after years of dealing with the fallout of being disfellowshipped.
does anybody know if all "publishers" still carry one of these?.
sister blues came home from the ministry and was a little nonplussed because the c/o had said that publishers were not agents of the congregation.
they were just concerned neighbours visiting ........this was in the context of 'how to deal with 'no callers' signs' ...... no, i don't get it either, she has not been issued one of these since she moved to a new congregation and i said that this card would put a lie to that statement.
well.....i am now officially on the precipice of divorce.
it started last tuesday night.
my wife brings the kids home at 10:00 pm after the meeting....then dinner....then ice cream.
Another case where the children will unfortunately get caught up in the middle unless you strategically and carefully guide things otherwise. Much sound advice has been given as to what you portray to your spouse as to your mental health. In a custody dispute she will certainly try to discredit your parenting abilities because of it. DO NOT BE ABUSIVE in actions or words towards your spouse. I know it is hard. Strive to be mild with assertiveness. Document every single detail and interchange between you. Use this very thread as a resource.
Your children are going to get caught up in the character assasination because it is inherent with every narcissistic parent operating under the sectarian dogma of the WT. "We are right, everyone else is wrong" Your children are already displaying and voicing the alienation tactics employed by their mother to tear you down and equate you with a perceived nemisis, namely Satan the Devil. DOCUMENT THESE OCCASIONS.
It may seem impossible to you but you will be in a better position to help your children if you are present in their lives at every available opportunity. I you and your spouse separate, with the children at such young ages, it is hard to say how much opportunity you will have to visit with them. Perhaps you can acheive some type of peace with your spouse by refusing to pit the children against you by alienation tactics based upon the religion? You agree not to attack the religion, she agrees not to attack you and your stance transferring her position unto the children.
I would strive with all diligence to find a middle ground now with your spouse while the children are at such a manipulative age. When they have matured into their pre teens and start to develope reasoning skills, then you may want to take the more drastic action of separating the entire family. Even then, it will create huge amounts of turmoil for them as they will no doubt want to please both of you.
Do not allow yourself to be vilified. Be strong and research others who have been down your road. Consult with a Family Law Attorney who has background in dealing with religion and parental alienation issues. Plot out a course of action that looks into the future and do not get entirely caught up in the frustrations of the present. Slow, methodical, educated, confident steps will help you to keep your children under your fatherly wings and draw them closer to you. Let mom take them to meetings without a battle, and in turn spend as much time with them in normal life activities as you can. I promise, they will remember those times as they mature and even if they are receiving negative press about you from mom or her friends they will always trust you and want you in their lives. You may not be the Spiritual JW Head of the household, but it is YOUR family and you can still be an incredible Husband and Father.
My thoughts are with you and your children.
i've published a new article on my blog explaining where things are up to with the candace conti case.. as well as detailing the latest developments, i also summarize the events since june and reveal some of kathleen conti's thoughts on what's in store for the watchtower.. here is the link:.
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/watchtower-loses-conti-appeal-but-fights-on.
as always, if you can think of a way that the article can be improved, i would love to hear feedback!.
I personally highly respect Cedars for his ability to clearly communicate through his writing what is at the forefront of the Conti Case and other issues. I am also impressed by his humility and candor. I have a very limited knowledge of court proceeding but would venture to guess through my own personal experience with such that I am more knowledgeable than the average reader. Many of the well documented matters concerning this case have left me with many questions specifically in regards to the Appeal process and how it will or has played out.
144,001, helped to clear many of those issues up for me personally by at least voicing his observations and knowledge about the matter here. Im certain I am not the only one to be greatful to both of you for attempting to be most accurate and effective in the dissemination of information.
The propensity to argue over anything is a natural course it seems in this forum. It is a diservice to the real and more important issues that are coming forth through an interchange of information and observation.
I personally have looked through hundreds of posts by Cedars and 144,001. I am certainly grateful for the intelligence and perspectives that you each are capable of bringing, and the education that I have been able to gleen from it.
the second 45 minute video is now online:.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zcvocgamqg&feature=youtu.be.
Thank you Ray.
i have a question for the author of the website jwfacts.
as i was reading the sparlock article, i couldn't help but notice something seriously wrong:.
"the bible abounds in vivid fantasy, such as its many celestial descriptions, or the portrayal of warring kingdoms with imaginary beasts.. the sparlock message is confusing, as much for an adult as for a child, as the bible shows that god's followers practice magic, even if they are usually referred to as miracles.
Recovery, it seems you are straining the gnat while swallowing a camel, no? The Sparlock Video is a massive failure, to the point that hundreds of JW parents that I personally know have discreetly discarded the DVD out of sheer embarrassment. Here is an exercise for you. Ask the children in your KH if they have seen the video and what they think about it. Ask them if they have thrown out any of their toys after watching Caleb toss Sparlock. Ask their parents. Nobody is even paying attention to the video! Talk about crickets chirping.
Actually, I take that back. I don't think you should ever approach any of the children in your KH. I sense some deep seated anger in your posts about the trouble WBTS is having with pedophiles, and you show a marked disdain for the children who have been victimized.
here is the 1991 child custody booklet called: child custody litigation and the christian family http://www.sendspace.com/file/jue70nthe brochure that was published in 1993 called, child custody litigation when religion is a factor will be posted soon.atlantis
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1993 child custody litigation when religion is a factor-pdf*http://www.sendspace.com/file/0ho8s8*the owner used a mild highlighter in some areas but the text can still be read.
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