i remember every time i had to renew my blood card my book study conductor always told the group that in case of a medical emergency if the doctor asks why you dont want to accept blood transfusion we should never say that because the watchtower says so.
he told us that we should say that we dont want blood transfusion because it is our religious conviction.. i was a little bit upset about this because i know i would never come to that conclusion on my own.
i accepted this do to the fact that the watchtower pressured me to do so.
Hello Apostate and friends
I still carry a Blood card so as not to stir any suspicions. Mind you it is turned back to front in my wallet, with just my name and address showing. The inside wording as be change and made void.
I am not ready to be shunned yet, still walking with the drowns, trying not to upset the collective. Including my family.
qwerty
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6293&site=3
with the news that the killers of jamie bulger have been released, it would be interesting to know how people feel.. from the mcveigh thread it seems that many americans believe the death penalty would have been appropriate.. i do not know whether many in the us know of the case in britain of a 2 year old being tortured and murdered by two 10 year olds.
but now 8 years later they have been released.. i know of the arguments that they have been rehabilitated since killing jamie bulger.....but is this really justice?
I think that it was Logical that said.......
The 2 killers were convicted and sentenced for their crimes. They have completed that sentence now.
Yes what they did was evil, but they do deserve a second chance. They have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.If people are unwilling to accept that they have repented, and refuse to give them a second chance, then quite simply, they are bad people.
He who is without sin, cast the first stone...
I think if we are still Christians or want to live by Christ's teachings, we have to agree with Logical here.
It's confession time, at 10 years old, two friends & I were caught shop lifting from major outlets in our town we had been doing this for weeks. After been shown the local police prison, having a good telling off and suffering the shame of been put on probation, from then on I never stole again, I didn't want to steel again. In fact one of the conditions of been totally forgiven and given a clean record by the time we reach 16yrs was to keep out of trouble.
The reason we gave the police, for steeling, was that we did not get enough pocket money and we had seen people getting away with it on TV. I know the pocket money thing was true but seeing it on TV was just a childish excuse. Looking back TV and the bad association thing must have played a part.
Yes there is a big difference between murder and shoplifting. However has a Child I realised that we were doing something bad. I think we got a thrill from it too, it was done for a laugh and we didn't think we would be caught.
Some JW friends were talking about how in Israel's time murderers would have been stoned to death. My JW Father in Law (Elders) said he would be the first there with a rock, if his son had done the same thing as the child murderers! I don't think kid's were judged differently either (correct me if I am wrong!) I guess in for my crime I would have had my hands chopped off.
It got me thinking about how unchristian in their thinking JW's can be. JW's keep going back to the Mosaic Law when, has supposed Christians they should practice forgiveness. Do they really have God's spirit or have their mind set been left behind and not move on still think they are under Law.
Logical quoted Jesus "He who is without sin, cast the first stone...."
We can only debate this subject but, in the end we have to leave it in the hands of the professionals. They have done their examinations into the boy's mental condition etc; we have not, but can only go on second hand info of miss info.
Qwerty.
I just thought! How would I have been able to type this with no hands!
with the news that the killers of jamie bulger have been released, it would be interesting to know how people feel.. from the mcveigh thread it seems that many americans believe the death penalty would have been appropriate.. i do not know whether many in the us know of the case in britain of a 2 year old being tortured and murdered by two 10 year olds.
but now 8 years later they have been released.. i know of the arguments that they have been rehabilitated since killing jamie bulger.....but is this really justice?
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qwerty
i dont know if some of you remember but about 8 months ago i recieved a telephone call from the luvvin bruvvers and they wanted to talk to me re my "apostate" veiws.
i told them that i would take legal action against them and to only contact me through letter.
i recieved this today.
Hi UO
We are aware that certain matters are of deep concern to you, and as you know we have a copy of the letter the Society sent you dated June 5, 2000. We have nothing further to offer on this subject; some matters have to be left in Jehovah's hands awaiting clarification in his time.
"Wait on Jehovah......'s organisation to change the 607 b.c.e date, in other words they can not see any support for the date too. If they would continue to look into other subjects they would prob be in the same situation as we are.
Legend as it Vampires (Elders) and Garlic don't mix
If they knew what Sister Garlic believed and what her new feelings are, they would probably react like vampires to garlic.
qwerty
p.s Thanks for the Phone call the other day.
want to see bethelites act like greedy scavengers?
just check out the tail end of bethel family breakfast, lunch or dinners.
for those not familar with this phenomenon, gleaning was when bethelites could basically bring their tupperware dishes down and store up on the leftover meals once the family was dismissed (usually by prayer, except for the bethel dinner).
Mmmmmmmmm.........
Want to see Bethelites act like greedy scavengers? Just check out the tail end of bethel family breakfast, lunch or dinners. For those not familar with this phenomenon, Gleaning was when Bethelites could basically bring their tupperware dishes down and store up on the leftover meals once the family was dismissed (usually by prayer, except for the Bethel Dinner). You'd have greedy-ass Bethelites storing up on food for the next week or two depending on the meal. During the tail end of the family prayer over breakfast or lunch, you could just look around and see family members with their tupperware bowls in hand just waiting for the magic words "amen" then utter carnage would ensue.
Been to every meal at Bethel,
Sorry to put a downer on this but, to be truthfull, I never saw anything like that after a meal.
qwerty
these are sincere questions directed to any who have first-hand knowledge.. i am new here, so i apologize if #2 is inappropriate for this board.. 1. how was it decided to ban 4 major blood components, rather than all or none?.
2. how is counsel on oral sex applied?
(judicial cases, behind-the-scenes, experiences?).
Sorry Anon
I was not being sarcastic.
I go with Maximus's judgment or sorry non judgemental attitude.
Good questions, just made me laugh, seen these same Q's before from Jokers!
qwerty
these are sincere questions directed to any who have first-hand knowledge.. i am new here, so i apologize if #2 is inappropriate for this board.. 1. how was it decided to ban 4 major blood components, rather than all or none?.
2. how is counsel on oral sex applied?
(judicial cases, behind-the-scenes, experiences?).
LOL!
just a question that occured to me.. how many of you are or have gotten by by cleaning windows ?.
i still am.. so any answers will be interesting.. thanks.
josephus
josephus
I pack my full time job in as a foreman in a large British industry, that's now gone under, due to our then prime Minister Margaret Thatcher (milk snatcher)
Since then I've been a Vision Technician for about 15 years on and off. I just concentrate on business contracts now. I got fed up of being let down by the pigin British weather, to be regular at domestic stuff. Business contracts pay about 3-4 times more anyway!
I still wonder where I'd be if I had listened to one of my bosses. I remember telling him the reason for quiting, including all the "I'll get a witness in here stuff". He said that years from now I might have change my views of what I believe, he said I was easily lead,
qwerty,
"Now my brain hurts from having to think. Window cleaning doesn't have this effect, it's so mind numbingly boaring!"
Oh! If any of our U.S friends want to know why Margret Thatcher was given the title "Milk Snatcher" well, it was because she stopped our young infant school kids from have there daily bottle of milk.
the following are excerpts from the offical office of public affaris of jehovah's witnesses website:.
do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.
many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.
Joanne I posted exactly the same info about 3 or months ago and got a good response. With the many new ones on here now it's good to bring to our attention the same info, thanks.
Added in bold type shows what the WTS have omitted to say.....
Do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?
No,well actually we're not being quite honest. Many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life,as long as they except the full range of teachings unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. If not they will be put to death again . Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness,which means they have to study the Bible with us based on Wt literature, then dedicate themselves to the Organisation , before God's time of judgment, and they will gain salvation. Moreover,thus, likewise, moreover, Jesus said that we should not be judging one another. Humans look at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart, the Elders in a congregation look at individuals conformity to Organisational laws. God sees accurately and judges mercifully. God has committed judgment into Jesus' hands, not ours,although for now we are trying to do the judging.—Matthew 7:1-5; John 5:22, 27.Do you shun former members?
Those who simply cease to be involved in the faith by becoming spiritual weak and find our meetings boring, as long as they do not disagree with our teachingsare not shunned. In compliance with the Scriptures, however, members can be expelled for serious unchristian conduct, such as stealing, drunkenness, adultery,or, whilst still being good living Christian's and Godly, come to the conclusion they no long agree with our doctrines , if they do not repent and cease such actions then they are cut off and shunned by everyone, including family members. Disfellowshipping does not sever family ties because we can not alter a persons genetic makeup, well not yet anyway!. Disfellowshipped members may continue to attend religious services,as long as they are not give the label Apostate, then if they wish, they may receive pastoral visits. They are always welcome to return to the faith, resistance is futile!— 1 Lecuetis 500:110-130.COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!!
Hope this helps,
qwerty
hello all.....after months of lurking....both here and on h2o...i have decided to take the plunge and become active here.
i am a former jw.....3rd generation.
i walked away and haven't looked back.
Hi Tic
It's very nice to have you post on here. I guess everyone else beat me to welcoming you.
I will try and get on Pal Talk more often. It's a shame about the time difference.
See U
qwerty
"I have an existential map; it has 'you are here' written all over it. "
- Steven Wright
