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  Why you love America

  by jamesmahon in

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  it struck me, as i guess it has a lot of people, that there are so many threads from both americans and the rest of us that seem to descend into america bashing.

  i thought it might be quite nice to have a thread solely (and i mean solely - if this just turns negative i will call foul) on what we think is great about america.

  as a brit who has lived and been over a number of times there are many parts about america that i think are great and thought is would be healthy to have a positive thread for a change.. so a starter for ten (with a few gross generalisations thrown in):.

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  Its ideals, which if not protected will end up totally disappearing soon and being replaced by others, maybe not so easily replaceable.
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  "Scriptural divorce"

  by ilikecheese in

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  so i was talking to my boyfriend about the whole jw scriptural divorce idea.

  i made the point initally that i think when jesus was talking about reasons to get divorced, he was more or less just trying to discourage divorce for frivilous reasons.

  you have to admit that there are a lot of people out there who just don't put much effort into it and just give up.

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  apostatethunder

  A wife in this situation wouldn’t be allowed to be at the JC, so she would never find out what her husband had said to the elders, or if these elders are watching pornography themselves.

  When her husband commits fornication, he will blame her for not giving him his marital due.

  If she divorces him first, because she doesn’t fancy having sex with a man that watches pornography she will be the one blamed as well.

  So basically she is guilty no matter what.

  Apparently scriptural divorce is what a group of pornography - watching elders decide it is.
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  Marital problems - advice (or support) please

  by jamesmahon in

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  2. family

  completely non-jw related this but value the diversity of experience and viewpoint on this forum.

  i am going to sketch this out quick as i can but please ask any questions if the gaps need filling.. as some may know, i have been married for 12 years with two children (8 and 4).

  my wife stopped work when the eldest was born and has been a stay at home mum since.

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  apostatethunder

  James, it is very sad, but it seems the marriage is clearly over for her. You both have the right to be happy, and most importantly you have two small children.

  Whatever shortcomings your wife has, she is their mother, and even if you remarry another woman, this other woman will only be their step mother.

  Your children have the right to be with their mother, and how you handle the divorce and the custody will affect them psychologically for the rest of their lives. Just remember this before you make any decisions. They deserve that you put their best interest ahead of your own.

  All the best.
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  Sunday's Drama @ convention!!! OMG!!!

  by itscrap&theyknowit! in

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  the drama -- i basically laughed hysterically!

  i guess marriages are breaking up left and right within the organization.

  a couple got married young.

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  I consider it a warning to sisters about whom they choose to marry. A lot of sisters marry for the wrong reasons.

  Just because a brother is a ms for example, doesn’t mean that he is a decent human being.
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  ...Stop the Trap!...New Internet Laws Pending..You could have to pay a big fine for simply clicking on the wrong link...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. social
  2. current

  en francais .

  you could have to pay a big fine for simply clicking on the wrong link.. right now, a group of 600 industry lobbyist "advisors" and un-elected government trade representatives are scheming behind closed doors1,2 to craft an international agreement called the trans-pacific partnership (tpp).. why the secrecy?

  we know from leaked documents3 that the tpp includes what amounts to an internet trap that would:.

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  Is this for real? Are they laughing at us? Who is behind this types of proposals?

  What would people say if postmen had a read of all the letters that passed through their hands and decided who deserved to receive the letter and who didn‘t? What type of governments did that?

  Who controls THEM?
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  Reaching a Significant Milestone

  by Quendi in

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  2. friends

  hello friends,.

  sunday, 4 september 2011 will go down as an important day in my spiritual journey.

  i had an extraordinary experience today that i feel compelled to share with all of you.

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  apostatethunder

  This is a very beautiful experience, and I hope it has worked out well for you Quendi.
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  Why are religious people scared of atheists?

  by jamesmahon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

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  [endif]just read bublegum's post and was going to post there but realised it would be off topic.. it got me thinking - as did some of the other atheist threads - why are religious people scared or atheists?

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  Religious people in general don’t care much about atheist unless atheists try to interfere with their lives in any way. Other than that, it is the atheists the ones that tend to insult the believers and not the other way around.

  The only religious people that spend time trying to convince atheist, are the witnesses, and not so much either, as their main target are people from other religions, specially other Christians.

  About atheists being more compassionate, charitable, intelligent, and moral than the faithful, I have my reserves. There is good and bad people everywhere, but the most criminal regimes in human history were atheist.
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  I have listed 10 facts I have learned coming on this site,please feel free to add yours

  by smiddy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would like to list 10 facts i have learned since coming on this site ,facts i wasn`t aware of while in the movement and facts that have set me free from a religous movement that really is not interested in facts per se.. these are not listed in order of importance , and feel free to add your own list that applys to your circumstances.

  1.the wtb&ts involvement with the u.n.. 2.the wtb&ts investments/shares some of which are questionable.. 3.their real estate properties around the world, millions if not billions, of $$$, while being a not for profit organization.

  4.their pretense of obeying the law on" blood" while conveniently adjusting it to minimise their legal obligations in threat of a lawsuit.

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  That there are a lot of undercover apostates surfing this site and still going to meetings, conventions, being elders. When I was in, I thought apostates would be easily recognizable.

  Now I am one myself.
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  Your most DISTURBING WATCHTOWER Bethel/Branch experience? (No full names please)

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ok.. you 70 plus bethelite members.... this is your chance to share stories!

  inquiring minds want to know !no full names please..follow t.o.s.

  to avoid borg libel lawsuits).. i will start the ball rolling with week one.

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  apostatethunder

  Bethel brothers are very much idealized, I met a few nice ones. The creep brother that I mentioned in another thread used to volunteer at Bethel. He had a few very strange episodes that I wont go into in this thread, but I will only say that the word “weirdo” doesn’t do him justice.

  I volunteered at Bethel once and felt used, maybe it was just the brothers I was dealing with. I had a nagging feeling of “what is going on here?”
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  German court rules religious circumcision on boys an assault

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wonder how jw germans get around the blood/issue doctrine?.

  http://news.yahoo.com/german-court-outlaws-religious-circumcision-172728400.html.

  circumcising young boys on religious grounds amounts to grievous bodily harm, a german court ruled tuesday in a landmark decision that the jewish community said trampled on parents' religious rights.. the regional court in cologne, western germany, ruled that the "fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed thefundamental rights of the parents", a judgement that is expected to set a legal precedent.. "the religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to becircumcised," the court added.. the case was brought against a doctor in cologne who had circumcised a four-year-old muslim boy on his parents' wishes.. a few days after the operation, his parents took him to hospital as he was bleeding heavily.

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  It is usually the men that have been circumcised themselves, the ones that decide to circumcise their sons, if they saw it as a bad thing, they could choose not doing it.

  Of course the government has to protect children if they are being abused, I don’t see this is the case.

  This sentence opens the door to the state interfering with the decisions that belong to the parents. This is just my opinion.

  Jamesmahon, I personally think circumcision is beneficial. There are always different points of view and different studies supporting both opinions.