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  Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?

  by truthseeker in

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  it took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.

  there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.

  all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..

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  People that has been affected by this corporation, when freed tend to react very strongly against religion, puting them all in the same basket. In Catholic countries for example, many people don't practice their religion much or at all for whatever reason, but most would still defend the Church and respect believers despite all the propaganda against it. This is not the case with people that leaves cults, despite not being so much information in the media about them.

  This is something they probably count on, and they seem to encourage it. So, one can only wonder at the effect all the millions that have been negatively affected by the WT will end up having in our ever more secular society.

  Unfortunately this type of manipulation is not something exclusive of religious groups.
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  Were you a minor when you were baptized

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  Not only was I a minor, but I was totally missinformed about the nature of this particular organization.

  Also they seem to view the baptism as a contract by virtue of which the corporation invites itself to enter your life and start interfering with it in order to continue manipulating you, while they emphasize to the candidates that it is just the public demonstation of their private dedication to God.

  So, it is kind of getting married while you are being told that you are just celebrating a birthday.
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  Were you a minor when you were baptized

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  Problems of Dating the Watchtower Way

  by enigma1863 in

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  2. scandals

  i wanted to know what problems you have learned about dating in the "truth" acording to there policy.

  i feel like you dont really know someone until you live with them.

  also some put on a false personality until they get what they want i.e.

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  One of the things that becomes crystal clear with time is how the talks and articles are synchronized with whatever is happening in the congregation, even if it is a private thing between a couple. This not only relates to dating though.

  It is a shame all the effort they put in finding out about people's private business is not put in creating healthy relationships with them instead, and all their emphasis in providing food at the proper time is rather not put on doing good deeds at the proper time.

  Once you leave you realize that you were in an abusive, controlling relationship with THEM with everything that this entails.
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  Disassociation

  by evilone in

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  hi all, i haven't posted here in quite some time.. just as an update, about two years ago, my wife and i moved to a big city about 500 miles away from the town in which we grew up.

  we made this move in part to expedite the fading process, which was successful.

  when we moved, as i described in an earlier post, we formally transferred from our home cong (where our families are) to a local cong in our new city, and then transferred twice more so as to get lost in the shuffle.

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  They are known to visit inactive ones even years after they leave.

  You can think of good answers to give them when they come by (lies) or you can write the letter and move on with your life.
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  After years of Watchtower fighting the BAN in Russia.....

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i apologize if this topic was already covered, i didn't have time to look thru several pages of posts.... after several years of fighting their ban in russia.

  russian court declares jw's literature extremist:.

  http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140113/186483571/russian-court-declares-jehovahs-witness-brochures-extremist.html?fb_action_ids=530487500391762&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5b1377130229215916%5d&action_type_map=%5b%22og.recommends%22%5d&action_ref_map=%5b%5d.

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  The WT does not say things, it does them.
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  U.S. Army admits to widespread cultural pedophilia in Afghanistan

  by RottenRiley in

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  2. child-abuse

  my atheist, agnostic and deist family members, why don't we attack this insanity more?

  dr. richard dawkins is finally calling out islam for it's true nature, i hope he is balanced because i don't want him to get killed by these whack jobs.

  i enjoy listening to dr. dawkins debate and would like him to attack their false religion like he lambaste's christians, i guess it's a tight-wire act he must follow or they would kill him.

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  Cold war? This picture looks very warm. The whole cold war thing seemed more like a long-term project between America and the Soviet Union where the end result was already pre-decided. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Bn3ipr3A8

  
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  After years of Watchtower fighting the BAN in Russia.....

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
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  i apologize if this topic was already covered, i didn't have time to look thru several pages of posts.... after several years of fighting their ban in russia.

  russian court declares jw's literature extremist:.

  http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140113/186483571/russian-court-declares-jehovahs-witness-brochures-extremist.html?fb_action_ids=530487500391762&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5b1377130229215916%5d&action_type_map=%5b%22og.recommends%22%5d&action_ref_map=%5b%5d.

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  apostatethunder

  For what I know this doees not even apply to the whole of Russia but only to some cities.

  In any case, the freedom of the WT means that they are free to scam, manipulate, stick their noses in people's private lives, and stalk, slander, and otherwise complicate the lives of people that chooses to leave their spiritual hell by interfering with all relations they formerly had and by creating uncomfortable situations at school or work, or wherever it is they have the bad luck of meeting them.

  We should have been wiser before accepting a Bible study from them sure, so should the person that buys a scrap at the car dealer. But the car dealer still needs to be dealt with.

  Personally the only reason I can think of as to why the american government allows their freedom to continue undisturbed, is because somehow they must be benefiting from it.

  We can be grateful that they are not allowed to stone apostates as it was done in the old days in Israel. Still socially excluding somebody and separating them from all former friends (even if they happen to be drones) as the WT does is a form of abuse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6kmhNdcYg
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  Religion VS Atheism and the decline of ethics and morals

  by EndofMysteries in

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  2. bible

  being back in college after leaving the borg, one of the required classes for a degree at my college is ethics.

  after learning a few things, i am curious where morality and ethics is heading for the future of humanity.

  i wish i could find the source again, but several weeks ago i recalled reading a transcript of a very old document that talked about when christianity was being spread in europe, it brought civility and community.

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  Puzzling how a lot of ex-jw jump so readily in defense of secret societies.

  Those who justify to feed Christians to the lions don't even deserve an answer.

  To deny the involvement of secret societies in the development of world history goes beyond idiocy.

  In regards to those who say that there were many cultures before Christianity that is certainly true, not that you would necesarily want to be a citizen in any of them or worse a slave. In fact if you wouldn't want to be a slave in them, it would be hipocritical of you to defend them.

  Some Christian leaders may have commited abuses, but there are big differences between countries, so to an extent it must have something to do with the leadership in those countries. For sure Henry VIII, Luther and Napoleon had their own agenda to go against the Church.

  Wasblind, I am very sorry about you not knowing about the culture of your ancestors, but Africa is still there, and so is its culture if you are curious about what they believed. The way the slaves were treated was inhuman but it had nothing to do with Christianity.

  In any case it was mainly perpetrated by protestants whom had quite a barbaric track record from the very begining including witch-hunts and a tradition of secret societies, all-male, racist and misogynistic. So don't blame all Christianity for what this people did.
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  Religion VS Atheism and the decline of ethics and morals

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  being back in college after leaving the borg, one of the required classes for a degree at my college is ethics.

  after learning a few things, i am curious where morality and ethics is heading for the future of humanity.

  i wish i could find the source again, but several weeks ago i recalled reading a transcript of a very old document that talked about when christianity was being spread in europe, it brought civility and community.

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  apostatethunder

  A lot of people seem to forget that our culture in Western countries is Christian, and that it has been so for two thousand years.

  Starting with the Reformation wars and crimes, the French and Russian Revolution and today's proliferation of fanatic cults, it seems clear that what all these events have in common is their contempt for this original Christian heritage.

  Secret societies have been the most murderous and disgusting force in human history so far, and for some reason they all share this hatred against Christianity unless when they use it to control other people's private lives with it.

  Those who are not particularly rational, emotional or spiritual don't like to be at the bottom of the piramyd where they belong, so they build another one where they can be at the top without being particularly smart, humane or spiritually developed. Hence the secrecy.

  You can be moral without religion, sure, but our religion is our tradition, it explains our culture and it forms our values. Without it, you reject thousands of years of accumulated wisdom, won't understand your own culture and heritage and will have whatever values suit you or somebody else manufactures for you.