Posts by Reborn2002

They did ask us all to warn the people of Earth. They said the best way to warn was to get up early on a Saturday morning, dress in 1950s style clothing and go door to door warning people. They also said it is best to have a smug and self-righteous attitude towards all those people we find.
You have been warned.

LMAO. Sound like the modus operandi of any group we know?

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now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

Reborn2002

Reborn if you are going to treat me like I am brainwashed and you are a scholar then you should have more than your opinions and a political hack to back you up. There were 5 choices open to the US about Iraq.

I have provided legitimate analogies relevant to the discussion. I have provided history of the current President of the United States and documentation. Everyone else that has posted on this thread after my comments has acknowledged that, except for you. I am a moderate and make concessions with other people I disagree with and even in some instances agree. Instead you label me as antifreedom, unpatriotic, Simon's lap dog, and any other category you wish to conveniently label for me.

I was not stating opinion when referencing the analogies of freedom of expression. Those events happened. When making inferences regarding Bush's history and motive, I was not offering opinion, I was offering fact that those circumstances exist.

I was stating fact that WMD to date have not been found. Not that they dont exist, only that they have not been found, and that was the primary justification for the conflict.

Can you differentiate between fact and opinion?Can your feeble little one-track mind sense that? Obviously not or you would not be suggesting I am offering solely opinion and political hackjobs. Instead of using your alleged knowledge of the subject you choose to ignore everything I listed as fact.

You keep referencing ONE book to answer all of your questions. A word of advice, read more than one book to get a well-rounded knowledge of the subject. I am not discrediting the book, in fact it is probably a good read, however you need to educate yourself further on this subject to understand all perspectives.

This conversation with you as ended. Although I am sure you will respond to this post because you want to get the last word and feel as though you have accomplished something, I am done with you, you ignore relevant comments and facts pointed out and instead prefer to only address whatever points you wish to make. You are a waste of time.

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You Don't Need to Know

by onacruse in

without doubt these angels are delegated by the lord to convey his instructions to the members of his organization on earth.

just how this is done is not necessary for us to understand.

i probably should have posted this under the "jokes" forum.. craig

Reborn2002

Those quotes are absolutely incredible Craig.

We have to remind ourselves that to date the Watchtower Society has not rescinded this doctrine, so active JW's are required to accept all information printed and provided by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society as direct, divine instruction from God.

What strikes me as different over the years is here in these old quotes you provide they did not even attempt to provide an explanation. Later on they would twist and contort Scripture and scenarios to suit their needs, like 607 B.C.E. and the Gentile Times 2520 years prophecy BS.

Just how this is done is not necessary for us to understand.

We are inspired by God. God tells us what to do. It does not matter HOW this takes place, just take our word for it and do as your told.

To do credit to Orwellian's 1984, one must subject themselves to the absolute authority of the Party (Watchtower) above all else, even if it stands to reason they could be wrong.

A very good thread.

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

Reborn2002

I find it odd that no WMD have been found, but if we go back and look at the weapons inspectors from the UN and thier work previous to the war, its fairly obvious they didn't have free reign to go wherever they wanted in Iraq. They had minders with them the whole time. Hans Blix used his office to postpone the inevitable attack and even reported to the UN that Iraqi compliance and cooperation was not satisfactory.

I agree with you. Iraq did stall and hesitate as much as possible, and they may indeed possess WMD. I am not some extremist as the poster Jayson likes to insinuate foolishly. However I find it extremely odd that no WMD have been found, when that was the primary justification for the war, and the "coalition of the willing" has free reign to travel and inspect anywhere they like in the country of Iraq. Despite possessing the most advanced intelligence in the world, the CIA (with aid from Britain's MI5 and Israel's Mossad, both assisting US intelligence, and many other nations in the coalition), they have not found any WMD. Is it not also peculiar that if Hussein did possess WMD, NONE were used against American forces (whom he and others vehemently HATE) in order to defend his stranglehold on power? He did not hesitate using chemical weapons on his own people, but did not use any on US forces (more importantly if you discuss the Islam perspective, infidel invaders of holy land) and allowed the country (Baath party rulership) to be conquered? Any logical person would question that.

As well, why is it that no one ever mentions the mass graves that are still being found? One can say easily that the Bush administration screwed up big time and didn't give too much thought as to the credulity for why the coalition forces ousted the Hussien regime, however for some this will never be good enough. It becomes just a minor road bump for most reasonable folks, but for some it is the platform to foist ill thought politics on the board

Yemen, Libya, Chechnya, Iran, Yugoslavia, Jordan, North Korea, Uganda, etc. There are countless examples of countries with tyrannical dictatorships that conduct inhumane murders and mass grave burials. You want to talk about mass graves? We can discuss at length the nations I mentioned above, or how about more recently the intifadeh where PLO forces kill Israeli citizens and then in turn the Israeli Army kills suspected Palestinian terrorists and dumps bodies in graves? The issue at hand for America's credibility is did the Bush Administration invade Iraq under potentially false pretense? Other countries have dictators and regimes just as vile as Hussein. To date I do not see the United States rushing to invade those nations. Even nations that knowingly are infinitely more advanced in developing nuclear weapons and within proximity to strike the United States (North Korea). Nope, the US isn't rushing in there. Is it not logical to question the course of action taken by our own government? Instead I am labeled as anti-American, antifreedom, and unpatriotic.

When you take into consideration the past history regarding Bush and oil (recent news events with Halliburton Oil receiving Iraqi contracts), Bush and Hussein, etc., it becomes even more peculiar. George W. Bush had ability, he had motive, and he had opportunity.

Lets maybe talk about all the torture victims and the mass grave found in Mahawil. All those dead Iraqis, possibly 15,000, deserve more discussion than the political screw up by the Bush admin any day. He will be gone and the complainers will find new reasons to whine about the government when the next president rolls in.

I agree to an extent. Suffering should be prevented wherever possible. What about women who are denied any rights whatsoever in primitive fundamentalist countries like Iran? Don't hear about that. I don't hear many people complaining about bloodshed and suffering in other countries. What I DO see is many Americans blindly supporting a President and his agenda simply because he is our President, and they are afraid of being considered unpatriotic if they do not do so, and therefore do not take into consideration the motive or morality of the actions taken.

Do American taxpayers have to eternally bear the burden of the entire world? I realized circumstances changed after 9/11, but I distinctly remember George W. Bush adamantly stating he was against "nation-building", and now we have US funds supporting Afghanistan and Iraq while American citizens lose jobs in a flailing economy.

Sorry, I have a problem with that.

All in all I agree with you on many points, and enjoy reasonable debate and discussion. Thanks Valis for your comments.

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SHUNNED FATHER GOES TO COURT - AGAIN

by SHUNNED FATHER in

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the watchtower has been trying to get my wife appointed as the representative of bethany's estate so they would be in a possition to sue the doctors, hospital, child welfare and provincial government.

i decided to get involved to prevent this.

after many months of legal battling , the wts thru in the towel and gave up on the idea.

Reborn2002

After many months of legal battling , the WTS thru in the towel and gave up on the idea. Another victory!

Congratulations on one victory amidst countless heartache and unimaginable loss.

Although I live in the southern United States and therefore several thousand miles away, I send my best wishes and moral support to you.

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Jesus or Jehovah? (movie comment)

by Mulan in

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i was watching a movie on tv this afternoon...............a british movie called strange relations, and starring paul reiser, as an adopted man in search of his birth family in england.

the paul reiser character was holding a large envelope and knocked on a door, in a poor part of town.

a woman answered the door, and said "jesus or jehovah?

Reborn2002

"I'm not wearing my knickers and my fanny is bloody freezing".

LMAO! (one American who gets it)

Especially in bloody England, where it can get quite cold outside.

I almost choked on my salad.

Be careful now.

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Did you cheat on your monthly report?

by JH in

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i was always honest with my field service reports, until the time when an elder came over to give me hell because i had only 1 hour that month in the field service.

i told him that i was working 50 hours a week, had a 4 day district convention that month and couldn't do miracles that month.

he never accepted my explanation.. .

Reborn2002

the stats in the WT are fake!

Never have truer words been spoken. Period.

Between people fudging reports to not be harassed by elders, inflating stats to appear righteous, 15-minute publishers... the stats are so fake it is ridiculous!

I once put 70 hours on my report when I had not spend 1 single, solitary minute preaching that month. I frequently reported double-digit hours when I never spent a nanosecond in the door-to-door ~~ministry~~ magazine peddling. Add that to the fake reports of hours.

Every congregation I ever attended, I knew several people that did the same thing.

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JW Skit on TV

by PopeOfEruke in

just saw a skit on a comedy show on tv:.

fake newsreader says "in an effort to boost their flagging popularity, the jehovahs witnesses are planning to change their name to j-ho".. not bad eh!!

the news is getting out there people!!!.

Reborn2002

As we all know, the Jehovah's Witnesses will attribute such events as sign of the last days because they are receiving persecution.

Someone praises the JW's = Jehovah's blessing and fulfillment of prophecy that Jehovah's people would give a witness to the world before the end would come. Isn't this great brothers? (I can almost hear them spewing from the platform)

Criticism of JW's = persecution and sign of Satan's work (to JW's any criticism is NEVER correct by the way LOL) also a fulfillment of prophecy before the end because "God's chosen people" would be persecuted.

Members increase in certain areas = Jehovah's blessing and sign of the true religion! (another fulfillment of prophecy according to JW doctrine)

Members decrease = fulfillment of prophecy that the love of the greater number will cool off and still Jehovah's blessing by showing us the end is near!

You can't win with these people. They have an excuse for EVERYTHING.

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What Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Are Obsessed With???

by minimus in

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what do you think???

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Reborn2002

I did not take the time to read everyone's post on this topic, because I wished to reply with my own comment that immediately came to mind. If someone else mentioned it, then you beat me to the punch, but in my opinion, Jehovah's Witnesses are most obsessed with appearance. They want to project the image of being righteous and wholesome and happy so as to ensnare converts, when in reality they are the exact opposite. The want to "see" you in field-service. They want to "see" you at meetings. They want to dictate how you look to the world by controlling what is acceptable dress & grooming, etc.

The Jehovah's Witnesses often use a Scripture referring to whitewashed graves which on the outside were clean, but on the inside were riddled with abhorrent filth. Ironic that the very Scripture they use to denounce other people applies to them most accurately.