Posts by Reborn2002

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To Veil or Not to Veil, that is the question.

by Yerusalyim in

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what say you on the following news article?.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.

mike schneider.

Reborn2002

While we are at it, take a trip down to your local DMV (Department of Motor Vehicles) and have a look at the manual for the driving exam.

If you read the entire booklet, it is outlined in simple English that driving is a priviledge, and not a right. It also goes into explicit detail as to why this is the case. If you signed your driver's license and accepted it then you agreed to abide by any and all terms therein.

This goes to show people should pay more attention to whay they read and participate in.

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To Veil or Not to Veil, that is the question.

by Yerusalyim in

jw
friends

what say you on the following news article?.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.

mike schneider.

Reborn2002

I believe driving is a right.. since you should be able to go where you want, provided you don't infringe on people's land or rights. I believe that how you get there is none of the government's business, as long as no one is wreaking any havoc. Whether you want to get somewhere by motor vehicle or horse.. as long as it doesn't interfere with other people, you have a perfectly legal right to get there. I realize that laws are necessary to protect people from accidents and stuff, but that is my own ideal.

Wrong. Driving is a privilege that must be earned. To legally drive you have to own a car (title or registration, etc.), you have to have appropriate insurance, you have to pass the driving exam to be deemed competent to get behind the wheel for both the safety of yourself and others. If it was an inherent right then you might as well let anyone and everyone get behind the wheel even if they are not capable and maybe they can kill someone on the road, maybe it will be you or someone you love eh?

Hell,if driving is your right, then flying is my right. I think I will go commandeer a plane and ignore all FAA regulations and park right at O'Hare International.

By your logic, alcoholics could say they can drive home from the bar. After all, driving is their right.

Regarding people being able to go where you want? Absolutely. They have planes, trains, buses, taxis, bicycles, hell, even riding in someone else's car with them driving. The point is there are MANY other means of transportation besides you driving. You must abide by the law.

None of the government's business? Your absolutely right. Police should not patrol the roads looking for people who violate the law. You must abide by the law.

Yes, people have a right to get where they are going. They do not necessarily have an inherent right to any and all means of transit though.

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To Veil or Not to Veil, that is the question.

by Yerusalyim in

jw
friends

what say you on the following news article?.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.

mike schneider.

Reborn2002

Despite the fact that it is against their religious beliefs to do so, and that the American constitution guarantees free exercise of religion?

Are you playing Devil's Advocate? Or are you just resorting to semantics to try and make a opposig viewpoint? What you said is sheer and utter nonsense Funky.

To clarify for you, yes, she has the absolute right to practice her religion. Yes, the United States Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. But if those beliefs conflict with the law, then the law takes priority. There are also laws of the land that must be abided by, and these laws supercede one's personal right to religion.

As an example, Mohammed Atta and other hijackers/extremists had the right to practice Islam. Even if it is extreme fundamental Islam which indoctrinates in them that they are the only true religion, God uses them as a vassal for his work, and unbelievers should be condemned to death, if that is their belief. However, taking action is another matter entirely. America guarantees the free exercise of Islam and any other religion. But by your logic that justifies their hideous acts on 9/11/01? Because of the free exercise of religion?

Likewise, this woman has the right to practice Islam. Period. However, driving is a privilege, not a right. Getting a permanent driver's license requires having your picture taken for photo identification. She knew this. The police use photo ID to identify people in traffic stops and other incidents. She was unwilling to comply with the laws and requirements to get a driver's license. Therefore, she forfeits her right to one. I live here in Orlando where this is happening, and in fact the trial was going on today as we speak with ongoing news coverage. The court building is about 10 minutes from my home. It is highly suspect that she was arrested two years ago for domestic battery and had a mug shot taken in prison with no veil. I suppose that did not violate her religious beliefs? Surely you can see the double-standard here.

If she were to win this case (which I believe she will not) it would establish a precedent that it is acceptable for people to abuse religious freedoms so as to skirt around the law. In our day and age, this is simply unacceptable.

Criminals would next be saying they cannot be fingerprinted or identified because it goes against their religious tenets.

Give me a break.

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How much land does the Watchtower own?

by Gordy in

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watchtower bible & t

watchtower bible &tr

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Reborn2002

Its property class is 555 (New York's real estate code for Outdoor Sport Activities) it is a Riding stable, tax exempt. The Watchtower bought it in 01/03/1991 for a price of $2.4 million.
So I guess some big shots in the WT like to spend more money on their horses than their workers.

The key term here is tax exempt.

The Watchtower leaders will find any way possible, even if it involves outright lying and deception if it means saving a buck. I would not be surprised if they spent money on horses, but I also would not be surprised if this was a ruse and the property was purchased under that pretense just to avoid paying taxes.

The naive rank & file JW followers just believe everything they are told like a stupid lap dog that gets kicked and comes back for more.

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It's the "YOU ARE WRONG!" Game!

by Yizuman in

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ok, so here's the idea, for anyone who doesn't know... .

the first person makes a (supposedly) undeniable statement.

the next poster has to somehow prove him wrong, and make a statement of their own.. .

Reborn2002

There is no spoon

Someone likes the first Matrix movie eh?

Spoon Boy of the Potentials in the apartment with The Oracle said exactly that phrase.

You are absolutely right, there is no spoon (proceeds to bend the spoon sideways) it is only in your mind.

Chess is a game of strategy.

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To Veil or Not to Veil, that is the question.

by Yerusalyim in

jw
friends

what say you on the following news article?.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/5954814.htmwoman sues to hide face in license photo.

mike schneider.

Reborn2002

I live in Orlando, and this story is HUGE news down here.

I absolutely agree with Yeru. Driving is a privilege, and this woman MUST conform to the laws of the land and expose her face if she wishes to get a driver's license.

If by some insane reason she won her case it would establish a DISASTROUS precedence for others whom would use this as an opportunity to conceal themselves while committing despicable acts.

What most of you do not know, and was just in a big expose on the news last night here in Orlando, is that this very same woman was arrested two years ago for domestic battery and her mugshot picture at the prison had no veil. So what's the problem here? She feels her religious beliefs are being violated? Fine. You don't get a license.

It is highly speculated she is doing this for the attention.

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Do Any JW's Believe The End Will Come In Their Lifetime???

by minimus in

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i believe most witnesses do not want to even think about this question.

confronting it is too painful for most.

look at the way the typical jw lives now.

Reborn2002

My grandfather became a Jehovah's Witness in 1945.

When he was still alive, he proudly told me stories of how he inaccurately predicted that his daughter, my mother, would never grow up in "this system of things." He excused his error by saying he was overanxious and running ahead of the faithful slave.

By the way, my mom is now 56.

My sister was born in 1968. He said then in the pre-1975 hysteria that she would never grow up. She is now 35, married with a child on the way.

When I was born, he proclaimed that SURELY I would not live to an adult in this wicked world. He has since died, I have graduated from college, and the rest of the family still proclaims the end is still "right around the corner."

JW's are sad human beings reduced to willful ignorance and naivety by relying on the WT false prophet to instruct them.

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Assembly fun....Final notes.

by integ in

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a couple of things i forgot to mention... -it would not be "wise" to have open bars at witness wedding receptions.. -dating non-witnesses like going to the morgue to find a mate.

(this was mentioned at the latest circuit assembly as well).. -there are "deplorable conditions" in christendom...not in jah's org.. -we reflect the glory of god by preaching.. -(this is a doosy, and an actual statement made by the speaker)..just as jesus was hated by the world, but was perfect, so too is jehovahs' organization.

(yes he actually said this).. -3:05 sat.

Reborn2002

-There are "deplorable conditions" in Christendom...Not in Jah's Org.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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How much land does the Watchtower own?

by Gordy in

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watchtower bible & t

watchtower bible &tr

watchtower bible & t

Reborn2002

Her response? "Well, that's different!"

Sounds about right for an apologetic Dub.

To this day it still amazes me when I encounter them and they make excuses for the obvious and blatant double-standards they set between things that JW's do and things other organizations do.

I tried rationalizing with my family about this very topic. The end result was me banging my head against the wall in frustration after they left.

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I lost my baby

by kelpie in

i come to you with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes.

tuesday 27th may 2003 at 12.30 am, i misscarried my first baby.

i was 9 weeks pregnant.

Reborn2002

(((((((((((((((((kelpie))))))))))))))))))))))

There are no amount of words I can say to express my sympathies. Words just simply are not enough sometimes.

I read your post and I cannot imagine what kind of pain you are going through right now.

Makes me just want to give you a really big hug. I am sorry that this happened, and you have people here who at the very least are willing to listen to your story and let you vent.

Right now you need comfort and solace. It sounds as though your husband is a very good man.

Together you will get through this.

(((((((((((((((((((((kelpie)))))))))))))))))))))))))