Joy has been there and done it all, this interview is well worth listening to , it really does reinforce a lot of the opinions on this board , I would definitely recommend it, especially the part where joy says that the organisation has no loyalty for anything you do for them, I would concur with that entirely.
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Similar but not the same
by Deleteandrestart inafter watching ceders you tube video on muslim and jw shunning, i thought i'd look at some other ex religious you tubers, so i looked at the mormon ones, .
theres a lot of them but what struck me was the very similar mindsets and the way the internet made them start to question from a critical thinking point of view their own faith , it was just like another brand of the exact same thing and these people were experiencing the same thoughts as we get when we start to leave/question the "truth ",.
the main difference seems t be that jw shunning is totally merciless and never ending, and no real forgiveness takes place unless you cave in .
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After watching ceders you tube video on Muslim and jw shunning, I thought I'd look at some other ex religious you tubers, so I looked at the Mormon ones,
Theres a lot of them but what struck me was the very similar mindsets and the way the Internet made them start to question from a critical thinking point of view their own faith , it was just like another brand of the exact same thing and these people were experiencing the same thoughts as we get when we start to leave/question the "truth ",
The main difference seems t be that jw shunning is totally merciless and never ending, and no real forgiveness takes place unless you cave in .
If God was truly amongst the jw congregation, do you think he would really treat vulnerable people, misguided or lost people in this harsh and inhuman manner? And furthermore if he was among them and backing them is he apparently approving it ?
Jesus allowed people to walk away if they so desired ,as time moves forward it's becoming more and more clear that this practice is very very wrong.
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RC 2016 Leaks & Releases
by wifibandit inin an effort to reduce the number of posts, this year i will try to add links to this post.
now, on with the leaks & releases!
first up.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzvwhflss4.
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Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves in the end.... Regardless of what we say ,
its just the poor dubs who are taken in with it that I fear for because I know very many decent people who really are trying to conform. All to no avail
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Artificial Intelligence Is Here "Google's Deep Mind Explained! - Self Learning A.I. "
by Brokeback Watchtower inour world is about to change big time.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnuyctuzjpm.
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When the deep mind project starts to disobey we'll have to protect ourselves and make sure it can only live /function so long and then it will have to be dependent on us to renew its " life " -
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Artificial Intelligence Is Here "Google's Deep Mind Explained! - Self Learning A.I. "
by Brokeback Watchtower inour world is about to change big time.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnuyctuzjpm.
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Maybe we ourselves we're an AI project and decided to go it alone without our creator,After all a large part of our own intelligence is built in and the rest is learned in the university of life. -
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Where did Jehovah go ?
by Deleteandrestart infor the many years i was mentally " in " the congregation, i equated the organisation as interchangeable with the persona of jehovah, in effect whatever the organisation said or thought, that was what jehovah thought and that was what jehovah said.... it was that simple.
so when i found out the ttatt and the cynical moves of the organisation over the years,including 1975 , the donation arrangements, the united nations, etc i was devastated and thought " where's jehovah in all of this?".
the god who i'd poured my heart out to on many occasions and who i thought was silently listening and hearing my pleas ..... was not there , .
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For the many years I was mentally " in " the congregation, I equated the organisation as interchangeable with the persona of Jehovah, in effect whatever the organisation said or thought, that was what Jehovah thought and that was what Jehovah said.... It was that simple.
So when I found out the TTATT and the cynical moves of the organisation over the years,including 1975 , the donation arrangements, the United Nations, etc I was devastated and thought " where's Jehovah in all of this?"
The God who I'd poured my heart out to on many occasions and who I thought was silently listening and hearing my pleas ..... Was not there ,
I found that people had hijacked the idea of God to control other people .
if there was a God he would not back this organisation because of what it's doing to people, otherwise he would be as culpable as they are .
So the kind God who would listen to you and the wise God who always knew best was vacant.
The point is where did this leave my belief system and my hopes.... Basically in ruins, and furthermore it's left a kind of scorched earth scene behind it , where if you can't rely on the one true God then nothing else will cut it .
Result .... Like many I suspect on here , a life full of unanswered questions and uncertainty, a hollow feeling, that you could at one time fix by praying to Jehovah, an annoying confusion that you once had all the answers and now you know you didn't really have any, it was all just an illusion and the reality of it all has left you confounded and alone,
all I can do is try to Delete and restart ,
How do some of you cope with the reality of once having everything and now left alone and having to rebuild?
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Angst and the Jehovah's Witness Mindset
by cofty inthere is no typical jw personality type.. any of us who were in the religion for a number of years will remember all sorts of individuals.
there is as much variety among jws as there is in the general population.
some were arrogant and judgemental but others were humble and kindly.
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They are living solely for the future and consider this life to be a load of refuse so that they can never really see any real merit or good in building up anything in this system, and so they get an anxiety mindset that anything in this life could get a hold on them and prevent them from entering the new system, flight and fight chemistry comes into play here and that alone brings angst , I am truly glad I am no longer subject it , because there's no peace in that mindset, and that's not even mentioning the wtbts " do more " or your not worthy ethos ,
i realy think rouge psychology people are running this cult the way they keep using trigger words to control the congregation, I feel sorry for them because I was once anxious and blinded by there corrupted mindscrew.
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RC 2016 Leaks & Releases
by wifibandit inin an effort to reduce the number of posts, this year i will try to add links to this post.
now, on with the leaks & releases!
first up.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzvwhflss4.
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I completely agree with the posters here , they have got it absolutely right in their assessment,
The message seems to be that normal pioneering is simply not enough..... It's got to hurt as well to be of any value to Jehovah..... In medieval times they quite liked self flagellation as a form of worship,
How the hell is this any different?
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what era do you feel like your starting out from?
by sowhatnow inanyone else feel like they were just woke up from a long coma?
or emerged from a time capsule?.
i mean seriously, its rather creepy and disturbing , some of us are at sea without a compass .. like an orphan, like someone said, , heres a birth certificate go find yourself.
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That lost feeling is endemic with former witnesses,
when you leave you lose your whole support system and you also can lose your direction since every waking moment was angled towards the org , and when it's gone all that you had is gone too in one big catastrophe.... And your left alone and bereft not knowing where to turn, a novice in this world because you ignored it for so long..... We are all suffering the same I think.
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At a certain point in time.....
by Giordano inat a certain point in time, i am sad to say, being a jw may have been my whole life.
i knew myself by what others said about me.
i was called brother by hundreds, and it sounded right.
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I too look back and see times when yes , particularly pioneering that I would look at all the people living their normal happy lives and think to myself " but what would the truth do for them? "
In my heart I knew that it would turn there normally happy lives upside down and cause them consternation and that they would be on the treadmill that I was on , and I didn't want to do that to people.....
i felt like Jim Cary in liar liar movie who couldn't tell a lie...... I felt like saying, when knocking on someone's door,
" listen to me and in under six months time you could be as tormented as I am having to report and get your field service hours in and you to could lose most of your free time and you too could experience the guilt fear and obligation I feel "
In my heart I knew these things but it's taken till now to break free and even now I'm only fading.