This is theft, unlawful seizure inextricably linked to multiple raids, arrests, tortures etc. I don't understand how anybody having principles other than "I hate Watchtower" can glorify it.
Corney
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Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses
by Room 215 inhttps://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.
it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.
(ouch!
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WT's ICO details have disappeared?
by purrpurr inthe wt used to have a long page on the ico website listing all the data they gathered and what they were going to do with it.
their basic contact listings are there but thats all??.
whats going on??
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The org's entities are registered with the ICO, but the Office's register isn't very informative:
https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/Z4617720
https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/Z5281400
https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA220715
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JW's in Russia tortured
by ScottyRex inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-47419918/russian-jehovah-s-witnesses-claim-state-tortured-them.
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dubstepped,
The same. But armed raids occur on average every 7-10 days.
Everything indicates these crimes won't be properly investigated and prosecuted. The local gestapo has already accused Witnesses, through its puppet media, of being "worse than ISIS", of espionage, infiltration, using hypnosis, collecting forcible donations, even of beating each other themselves to blame the investigation (!), and similar bullshit.
I also think it's important to remember that Jason Wynne and his cronies proudly claimed (partial) responsibility for the ban, i.e. for every armed raid, search, arrest, act of surveillance, intimidation, torture etc. Just for the record.
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Web sites that Jehovah's Witnesses can go to
by new boy inwhat exjw sites could i refer a seeker of true to look at besides this one?.
since this is the only exjw web site that i'm a member of, i would like to make mention of other web sites for people to look at in my book.
i only know of two others.. jw facts and jw survey.
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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia
by Drearyweather inhttps://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.
at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.
ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.
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Nathan Natas The hidden mystery is that those who ADMIT they don't give a damn THINK they are being far more honest
Wrong. Those who claim, often repeatedly, how they don't care about Russia's treatment of JWs are lying hypocrites since in fact they continuously and vehemently defend literally everything the Russian government does to Witnesses. Only those usually justifying and glorifying the ban but now saying how they are sorry and sad are worse.
Listener,
You have a weird definition of "insult".
The "laws" violated by Witnesses are injust and unconstitutional. Would you blame those who break "laws" criminalizing "sodomy" or "apostasy" and those who support them?
Legal actions certainly will benefit the actual and potential victims, including every JW and every Russian (torture is a common method of investigation there).
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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia
by Drearyweather inhttps://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.
at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.
ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.
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Incognito,
Torture and the ban (that includes officially declaring all JWs enemies of the state and dangerous criminals) ARE one and the same.
And answering to your questions:
at least two well-known WT lawyers represent the victims;
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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia
by Drearyweather inhttps://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.
at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.
ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.
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StephaneLaliberte,
Seven named individuals and their lawyer, all living in Russia, have filed official complaints against named officers. One of the victims has given an interview to a media outlet. You can also read one of the victims' written testimonies (published by prominent human rights defender Lev Ponomaryov) and decide for yourself whether it's credible: https://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/190220b.html
[Note: lawyer Fomina is a "public defender" appointed by the prosecution side; read more on the issue here: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2016/01/26/an-indefensible-public-defender-system ]
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7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia
by Drearyweather inhttps://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.
at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.
ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.
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Della Street,
Do I correctly understand you?
You support declaring every Witness a dangerous criminal threatening state security and deserving the same punishment like murderers, rapists, kidnappers etc.
You support the large-scale surveillance and hundreds of armed raids involving thousands of police and state security officers and SWAT teams.
You just disagree with the torture.
Wow... You're so kind and consistent.
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Surgut, 15/02/2019, 6 am. One of the nearly twenty raids conducted that day there
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Electronic Frontier Foundation v Watch Tower Society
by Corney in[disclaimer: the headline is slightly misleading since the eff itself doesn't participate in the case, so read more below].
it's not a secret that during the last two years watchtower obtained nearly 40 dmca subpoenas requiring google, facebook, instagram, twitter, soundcloud, scribd, reddit and other isps to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the society's copyright.. since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.. but one of the affected users contacted, on advice of youtube's legal team, the electronic frontier foundation (eff), and the foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely garvey schubert barer:.
youtube's legal department emailed the user on or about july 10, 2018, five days before the subpoena's return date, stating that it would comply with the subpoena unless it received a file-stamped motion to quash "or other type of formal objection before july 20, 2018.
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[Disclaimer: the headline is slightly misleading since the EFF itself doesn't participate in the case, so read more below]
It's not a secret that during the last two years Watchtower obtained nearly 40 DMCA subpoenas requiring Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, SoundCloud, Scribd, Reddit and other ISPs to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the Society's copyright.
Since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.
But one of the affected users contacted, on advice of YouTube's legal team, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), and the Foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely Garvey Schubert Barer:
YouTube's legal department emailed the User on or about July 10, 2018, five days before the Subpoena's return date, stating that it would comply with the Subpoena unless it received a file-stamped motion to quash "or other type of formal objection before July 20, 2018." The User responded by email one day later (July 11, 2018) to state and explain his objections, believing that he had complied with YouTube's instructions.
YouTube replied on July 24, 2018, advising the User that his email was not a "formal objection," and that he would need to provide a file-stamped copy of a motion or other court submission. YouTube stated that it would provide the User additional time to comply with its instructions. The User replied the same day, July 24, 2018, to indicate that he did not have the means to file a motion to quash. YouTube responded on August 7, 2018 with the name of potential pro bono counsel at the Electronic Frontier Foundation ("EFF"). EFF placed inquiries through its referral network and located our firm. Following an introduction on August 10, 2018, the User engaged our firm on August 11, 2018.
Motion to quash the subpoena was filed in SDNY. To defend itself against this apostate attack, Watchtower had to hire Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, a top firm in the field of copyright law, one of the six best ones nationwide according to The Legal 500 and one of the seven best ones in NY - according to Chambers.
Motion to quash the subpoena and Watchtower's response were filed in August 2018 but hearing/conference still wasn't scheduled. To follow the future case events, consult the docket here.
Case documents:
some ex parte documents (notice of infringement, proposed subpoena and order): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qQ8CKRJ0UXrNLYCnzFhAf7RYStz52lHZ/view?usp=sharing
motion to quash the subpoena and Watchtower's responses: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1krDT1sprXO1f2pdIcQUdLfgB-Dz0_CKz/view?usp=sharing
These documents are public records and anybody (including foreigners) can register in PACER and obtain them. Note: access to case information costs $0.10 per page. But if your usage does not exceed $15 in a quarter, fees are waived.
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When You Were A JW Did You Really Understand The Religion and What You Were Getting Into?
by minimus inmany witnesses in my opinion know nothing about the religion.
they don’t understand the history, the doctrines or the bible.
many people become jws because they were raised as witnesses so they take the plunge.
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Baptized in 14, I think I did know what I was signing up for.
I knew the teachings, rules and consequences of disobeying. I think only very few baptized JWs didn't know them - but that surely doesn't make shunning less unethical.
I totally misunderstood the religion but I knew all facts necessary to conclude that JW belief system is illogical and self-contradicting and that its practices and policies (discouraging critical thinking, promoting blind obedience, self-isolating, devaluing all "worldly" things etc.) are unhealthy. All the facts I needed were in WT literature, speeches, in my congregation etc. All I needed were broader perspective and few critical thinking, not "hidden truths" and "exposed scandals".
I understand why other people have different opinion and even partially agree with them - but only partially.