Posts by Corney

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

Athanasius,

No, it isn't a news report - it's a police press release. And you can compare it with another - but virtually the same - law enforcement agency's press release published in the same region on the same date: https://tomsk.sledcom.ru/news/item/1232729

You also can watch this local state TV report (at 0:10-0:18, 0:58-3:03): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Am0Fx6bjMI

I think now you are satisfied it were JWs.

Also, can you please say whether those articles and videos contain any claim or indication that the video in question was created by Watchtower or by anybody else other than the police? Or accusations of something other than proselytizing and conducting group literature studies - like, say, bomb making (lol)? I would be grateful for your response.

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lastmanstanding,

As I expected, you were unable to address my arguments. I'll answer the single counter-argument you provided.

The blurred faces are the dubs, not the police.

First, some people whose faces were blurred are law enforcement officers (оперуполномоченные, or опера, who don't wear a uniform). Proofs are here: https://ibb.co/album/dmX4Tv

Second, my argument 3(b) that you ignored applies to JWs.

And as somebody whose native language is Russian and who studied Russian law and read thousands of pages of publicly available court decisions, "expert opinions", legal comments etc., not to mention countless media publications, I certainly can certify those things.

Nobody prevented you from defending your case. But you opted to clown around. You defaulted.

As Justice Holmes would write, five pages of fruitless discussions is enough. I'm not going to reply to your future comments in this thread (but I don't promise I won't). I hope Athanasius will be so kind to spend his time on this nothingburger - and then he'll confirm that your claims lack any merits.

Obviously,

Your trio of elders и примкнувший к ним Шипилов.

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

Three comments, and no (counter-)arguments relating to the thread subject. So sad!

Well, last try.

I've reiterated and updated my arguments as follows:

1. The video have been first distributed by the Russian police (the Tomsk regional department of the Ministry of Interior, УМВД по Томской области). And neither the text nor the video nor media reports accuse Watchtower or someone else of "concocting" it. I can certify it.

2. Watchtower had no motive to fake the video which doesn't depict something extraordinary, extremely outrageous or very different from what depicted on other photos and videos distributed by the FSB, the Ministry of Interior and the Investigative Committee (examples: 1, 2, 3). The latter also proves its authenticity.

Moreover, AFAIK, Watchtower used only a single screenshot. Would it create a short film just to use a single picture? It makes no sense.

3. As to the blurred faces, the reasons for this are: a) to protect the identity of LE officers, especially police operatives (оперуполномоченные); b) to comply with the requirements of art. 152.1 of the Civ. Code ("Protection of the citizen's depiction") (despite there is no unified policy on this issue).

Case closed, unless you are able to provide valid counter-arguments.

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As to the last comment you posted: that's apples and oranges.

I never said or implied that the Witnesses or Watchtower must be immune from any prosecution.

I'm ok with prosecuting them for real crimes, if the basic rule of law & human rights requirements are met.

To the best of my knowledge, the Dutch law enforcement had legitimate reasons to conduct those raids, didn't acted in discriminatory manner, didn't humiliate or intimidate anyone and didn't plant evidences.

Summary: again, it's apples and oranges.

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

smiddy3,

Aren`t all of JW`s / WT` s statements ,predictions ,evident realities ,etc,etc. just fake news ?

No, they aren't.

As literally everyone else, they often lie, generally avoiding direct lies and using instead cherry-picking, misquotations, misleading rhetoric, half-truths, misinterpretation etc. And they likely lie far often than many churches and other organizations because their adherents typically won't question any bullshit they produce.

But it's infantile to say: "Oh, they always lie". It's not different from Watchtower's rhetoric about "apostates" and media.

stillin,

Not me, the OP and those who like his stupid posts - they have a problem.

lastmanstanding,

That's pathetic. Unable to address my arguments on the merits, you've responded with a baseless accusation of lying and a smear. "I attacked the video on its merits," - no, you asked why faces are blurred and made up a crazy theory based on nothing. What about the other photos and videos I've provided? Are they also concocted by Watchtower?

Sincerely,

Your trio of elders.

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

lastmanstanding,

As far as the video, I would like someone to offer proof that that vide was shot by the Russian authorities and that those are actually officers behind those balaclavas. For all we know, that video was concocted by Watchtower, and the Russian site put it up there to show how far Watchtower will go in production of false information about the Russian State.

Oh dear, this bullshit is brilliant. You "know" that Watchtower created this video just to use a single screenshot. Despite it was first distributed by the Tomsk regional department of the Ministry of Interior (УМВД по Томской области). And despite neither the video nor the picture depict something extraordinary, extremely outrageous or very different from what depicted on other photos and videos distributed by the FSB, the Ministry of Interior and the Investigative Committee (examples: 1, 2, 3). And despite you were unable to provide a single plausible argument why it is fake (stupid questions about a garden pick and blurred faces aren't arguments).

I for one refuse to just go along with the flow.

Just like Fritz Springmeier, Rick Fearon and Alex Jones.

blondie, stillin, DD, JW_Rogue,

Are you kidding? Do you want to say you really don't understand the difference between pictures, videos etc. clearly provided for illustrative purposes, and those presented as depicting real events and attributed to a government source?

Vidiot,

"Extremism" is nothing more than a meaningless pejorative label. And your second statement wrongly describes the situation.

peacefulpete,

....She said top church officials purported to enforce church rules "but in real fact the talk is about total control of an individual’s personal life — his intimate life, education and work."

This was a show testimony, not mentioned in the Supreme Kangaroo Court decisions at all.

the organization’s religious literature forbids blood transfusion for its members in defiance of the doctors’ recommendation," the spokeswoman said, providing documentary evidence about one such case.

Again, not mentioned in the decisions.

its claim to exclusivity

Have you read all those "expert opinions" and court decisions? They interpreted every call to leave one's religion and to join the JW organization, every instance of criticism of or disrespect towards other religions as "hate speech". For example, two years ago the "experts" declared the following quote to be "extremist": "Arthur regularly witnessed to customers in a store that he owned, where he displayed Bible literature prominently in the window. The window also displayed a sign that offered 100 pounds to anyone who could prove the Trinity — an unscriptural doctrine that Arthur firmly rejected. No one ever collected the money".

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

The authorities are prosecuting - and also intimidating, harassing and torturing - JWs merely for practicing their religion, not for any real, common crimes. This is a persecution. You probably shall use more all-caps and childish insults to provide a plausible justification for this state terrorism... and to prove that it obviously was a trio of elders.

peacefulpete,

Recent arrests of individuals has been explained by authorities as a result of local interpretation of anti-terrorism measures and not the intention of the central government.

I doubt they really have provided this explanation. Anyway, that persecution campaign is clearly centralized.

However, JWs have been determined to be an 'extremist group' due to the deadly consequences of its blood policy and family negation in cases of disfellowshipping. That has been the justification of seizure of property of the WT and banning of open proselytizing.

False. The main stated reason was "Oh, their literature contains bad things about other religions". There were virtually zero mentions of shunning, and very few mentions of blood transfusion. Finally, the ban isn't limited to seizure of property and prohibition of open proselytism.

JWs are supposedly permitted to identify as JWs and meet with others if the meetings are public and not secret.

False and illogical.

The Fall Guy,

R&F JW's are used as pawns & cannon fodder by the Wizards of Warwick and will be instructed to ignore the ban on the literature.

Yep, that's why the Russian branch office advised JWs - long before the ban - to destroy all the banned literature in their possession and why cops had to plant it.

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Question from yesterdays persecution article...

by JW_Rogue in

what are you resolved to do if under ban?.

i wonder how many people were thinking about how that would be a great excuse to leave!

finally, a good out, you were just too afraid of the persecution.

Corney

road to nowhere They forgot to mention the money laundering part in Russia

Yep, they forgot to mention the money laundering committed in your imagination. That's scandalous.

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

Your accusations are ridiculous and pathetic.

As to some particular claims:

- actually, you were the first one who used the word "obvious(ly)" in this thread, and the only one who used it incorrectly;

- there is a difference between hating, criticizing or disliking someone or something and being blinded by hate;

- the Russian JWs are suffering because the government persecutes them;

- the video published by police looks fake because faces are blurred? Seriously?

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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG

by lastmanstanding in

the current “news” on jw.borg.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.

look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.

Corney

You are obviously possessed by hatred. I don't know how else to explain this moronic, hysterical post.

As to the source of the picture, it's available on a government site here / alternative link (watch the second video).

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Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

by Corney in

the montana case enters the home stretch.

the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

Corney

It's streaming now (video)!

http://stream.vision.net/MT-gov/

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Montana Supreme Court will hear the $35M case tomorrow

by Corney in

the montana case enters the home stretch.

the state supreme court will hear oral arguments tomorrow, 13 september, at the northern hotel in billings during the state bar of montana’s annual meeting (announcement 1, announcement 2).

an introduction to the argument will begin at 9:30 a.m., with the argument starting at 10 a.m. (4 p.m. utc, 9 a.m. sf time, 12 a.m. ny time, 5 p.m. london time, 2 a.m. saturday sydney time).

Corney

Some updates

The hearing will start at 12 PM (not AM) NY time. Mea culpa.

It apparently will be streamed audio only.

Mark O'Donnell will be there; check his Facebook and Twitter profiles for updates.