There were 1,502 congregations in 2016. I think they could count both owned and rented properties and/or halls instead of buildings (I mean KH complexes - but doubt they have many ones in Spain).
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Number of KHs in Spain: drastic decrease?
by Corney init was posted on reddit that 226 of 876 (or 1/4) kingdom halls in spain were sold during 2016. for many it sounds amazing and awesome.
for me, this is implausible and needs fact-checking.
the above-mentioned figures come from bi-annual publications of the observatory of religious pluralism in spain (established by the spanish ministry of justice, the spanish federation of municipalities and provinces, and the pluralism and coexistence foundation).
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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But the Soviet Union (USSR) and Russia are separate entities. The Soviet Union (USSR) consisted of about 15 states and it no longer exists. It just so happens that Russia was one of those 15 states. Russia is not the Soviet Union (USSR), there were 14 other countries in addition to Russia which were a part of it.
Russia is the down-sized and modified Soviet Union and its legal successor. It isn't just one of 15 former Soviet republics; it inherited nearly half of the USSR's population and 3/4 of its territory as like as its seat in the UN Security Council and nuclear arsenal. Russian economy and military are larger and stronger than ones of 14 other former SSRs combined. Moreover, its army is the second or third strongest in the world.
they weren't saying Russia was the king of the north when they had a nice branch there and collecting a tidy sum in donations from the people. Ipocrities
You say this like they offend Russia. In fact, they just declared it eschatologically significant. The US&UK are "a false prophet" and "a two-horned wild beast that spoke like a dragon", and who cares?.
As to "a tidy sum in donations'. More than half of the Russian branch's expenses were funded by foreign donations and grants. And it received from 'its' congregations (170K publishers) just three times more money than Watch Tower Ireland from Irish ones (6K pubs). The Russian branch was expensive, not profitable.
For the Russian state it is a gift and a shot to an open goal. This happend earlier in communist country's. With one victim: the local witnesses, and two winners: the state and the wts. G.
I don't understand how this is a win for WT. On the one hand, major decrease in Russia and painful blow for the organization. What's on the other hand? Purely speculative reasonings about encouraging effect of the new martyrs' stories?
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Number of KHs in Spain: drastic decrease?
by Corney init was posted on reddit that 226 of 876 (or 1/4) kingdom halls in spain were sold during 2016. for many it sounds amazing and awesome.
for me, this is implausible and needs fact-checking.
the above-mentioned figures come from bi-annual publications of the observatory of religious pluralism in spain (established by the spanish ministry of justice, the spanish federation of municipalities and provinces, and the pluralism and coexistence foundation).
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Corney
It was posted on Reddit that 226 of 876 (or 1/4) Kingdom Halls in Spain were sold during 2016. For many it sounds amazing and awesome. For me, this is implausible and needs fact-checking.
The above-mentioned figures come from bi-annual publications of The Observatory of Religious Pluralism in Spain (established by the Spanish Ministry of Justice, the Spanish Federation of Municipalities and Provinces, and the Pluralism and Coexistence Foundation). And yes, according to these publications, the number of KHs in Spain was 876 as of December 1, 2015, and 650 as of December 2016 - but also:
706 as of June 15, 2011,
703 as of June 20, 2012,
718 as of June 30, 2013, and
702 as of June 1, 2014,
701 as of June 1, 2015,
856 as of June 2016,
636 as of June 2018.
Does anybody believe JWs have build 175 Kingdom Halls (+25%) between June and December 2015 and have sold 206 (24%) ones a year later? I think not. I think the conclusion is obvious: the numbers of KHs for Dec 2015 and June 2016 are anomalous, the result of an error or a different methodology. The number of Kingdom Halls declined, but not so drastically - by 51 (7%) between June 2015 and December 2016.
For more data, see this spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LntyFxJzkdSVT7_pVpR479fqkDJzeVGY/view?usp=sharing
Full list of Kingdom Halls in Spain is available here and here.
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Russia=King of the North, USA=King of the South? New info coming in from Annual Meeting 2018
by Jules Saturn init was announced in this year’s annual meeting that they believe that the king of the north is russia and the king of the south is us/britain.
for me this is the first time hearing from the society actually identifying the identity of the king of the north.
very interesting times!
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Corney
Russia is it... again... because they took the wt property.
Didnt Russia confiscate their property? Bad Russia!
I find this kind of comments stupid, intellectually dishonest and unethical.
The Russian ban isn't just about properties. 150,000-200,000 Witnesses are declared second-class people, and hundreds or even thousands were and are harassed, persecuted and intimidated by the Government.
And the complex web of Watchtower's interests, reasons and motivations cannot be reduced to money - at least for critically thinking people.
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When All Else FAILS Protest and Cry When You Don’t Get Your Way
by minimus indo these democrats really think that if they protest and wail about anything they don’t like , that policies will change ?
they are really embarrassing themselves..
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Corney
There are no more retarded people among Left-wingers than among Conservatives (Q-Anoners, Alt-Righters, Alex Jones' admirers, militias etc.). Dems represent half of the nation, not some marginals. GOP completely ignores needs and interests of these people and tries to secure its power using every loophole in the US constitutional design (e.g., gerrymandering, obstruction of moderate Obama's judicial nominees and filling courts with extremely partisan judges under Trump). Its supporters troll and insult those in the opposite camp. Oh dear, so why do you have a cold civil war? Surely, that's all because Dems are mentally diseased fascists and because of OBAMA - and there is no fault on your side! Right?
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Watchtower Corp of New York worth over$ 2 billion
by Diogenesister inin the montana sex abuse court case for the first time watchtower has been required by the courts to give a financial statement to the court to assess awards of punitive damages for negligence and (for the first time)malice in non compliance of mandatory reporting laws.. watchtower corp of new york has finances in excess of $2 billion while cc of jw is worth $49 million.
this doesn't include the pensylvania corp or what overseas branches may have.. pretty healthy bank balance by any standards..
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slim, these figures are extracted from forms 990-T submitted by Watchtower (page 1, block C). All forms I have are available here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_I8jBbaSStIp4-1a0FODN2h4I6fpltBs?usp=sharing
I think a drop in the assets of the PA corporation in 2015 could be caused, at least partially, by writing off congregation loans (that, on other hand, took place in 2014 in UK and Canada).
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Watchtower Corp of New York worth over$ 2 billion
by Diogenesister inin the montana sex abuse court case for the first time watchtower has been required by the courts to give a financial statement to the court to assess awards of punitive damages for negligence and (for the first time)malice in non compliance of mandatory reporting laws.. watchtower corp of new york has finances in excess of $2 billion while cc of jw is worth $49 million.
this doesn't include the pensylvania corp or what overseas branches may have.. pretty healthy bank balance by any standards..
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Corney
slimboyfat So what are the possibilities? That the figure includes HQ and other property, but excludes KHs?
I think yes.
And/or Watchtower has taken on significant debt which counts against their assets in their net worth? If that’s the case they may be in serious trouble, because even selling KHs may not be enough to cover payouts, and stay operational as an organisation.
You know, 30% of Watch Tower Britain's current liabilities are made up of congregation, circuit and individual deposits, and 86% of all its liabilities and provisions of liabilities are made up of such deposits and conditional donations (2017 report). Maybe the composition of WTNY's liabilities is similar. I don't know that but it is not impossible.
What about assembly halls
At least 45 AH entities are registered in IRS as separate tax-exempt orgs. So I think the answer is obvious.
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Watchtower Corp of New York worth over$ 2 billion
by Diogenesister inin the montana sex abuse court case for the first time watchtower has been required by the courts to give a financial statement to the court to assess awards of punitive damages for negligence and (for the first time)malice in non compliance of mandatory reporting laws.. watchtower corp of new york has finances in excess of $2 billion while cc of jw is worth $49 million.
this doesn't include the pensylvania corp or what overseas branches may have.. pretty healthy bank balance by any standards..
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Corney
slimboyfat The figure I heard was $1.6 billion from John Redwood in a podcast. He also said this was a net figure and includes the value of property including Kingdom Halls.
As to the latter statement, does he know this or just assume? And did he provide any details relating to the value and composition of the Society's assets and liabilities?
If on average each KH is used by two congregations or slightly more that indicates around 6000 KHs in the United States.
The most recent published figure is around 7,000 KHs.
what other corporations are associated with JWs and what is their net value? Does the Pennsylvania corporation have many assets?
Book value of assets of WTS Pennsylvania was $965.8M in 2011, $1,119.1 M in 2012, $1,154.5M in 2013, $1,020.4M in 2014, $593.75M in 2015 and $558.8 in 2016.
Book value of assets of WTS NY was $399.3M in 2009, $675.4M in 2014, $1,451.2M in 2016 and $1,590.2 in 2017.
Combined book value of the two societies' assets was $1,695.8M in 2014 and $2,010M in 2016.
But (IMO) this info isn't very valuable since the amount and composition of their assets and liabilities aren't known.
If Watchtower does end up paying $35 million for this latest case, that’s equivalent to JWs in the United States putting their hand in their pocket and paying $30 each, for this one case alone.
IF. Let's wait for judge's order and decision of the MT Supreme Court. Again, the case could be settled.
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Montana jury awards two women $35M in sex abuse lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-jury-awards-two-women-m-in-sex-abuse-lawsuit/article_1bcabb7c-7381-574b-a2ba-e011cc0250a6.html.
montana jury awards two women $35m in sex abuse lawsuit against jehovah's witnesses .
a jury in northwestern montana awarded two women $35 million wednesday in their lawsuit against the local jehovah’s witnesses congregation and its worldwide headquarters.. .
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Corney
AbusedandPissed
It is actually 15 million dollars as punitive damages are maxed at 10 million dollars or 3% of the defendant's net worth whichever is least.
One article does say that there is a challenge to the punitive max that is going in Montana but that case probably won't be resolved before the trial judge enters the final decision.
In 2014-15 three MT district court judges defied this rule due to its alleged unconstitutionality. Since Hyundai and Kelly Logging cases were settled before the state Supreme Court and in Masters Group International the Court avoided deciding on the issue, it's uncertain whether a judge in this case will reduce the award.
cobweb
Apparently the net worth of the org was revealed at the court session. Jason Wynne who has been tweeting about the details of the case over the last few days just said this:
Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York has a net worth of $1.6 billion. The Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses has a net worth of $50 million #MontanaCSA
Nothing new or informative
https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/111753577_201708_990T_2018022215185394.pdf
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Russia Uses Nerve Agent to Assassinate Spy
by cofty inwhat started as news of a man and woman being found unconscious on a park bench 12 days ago is escalating into an international incident.. sergei skripal had worked as a double agent for british intelligence mi6 before he was discovered and imprisoned in russia in 2006. he was later flown to england as part of a spy-swap in 2010. on sunday 4th march he was discovered along with his 33 year old daughter yulia close to a shopping centre in salisbury.. since then the story has become increasingly bizarre.
a policeman who was first to attend the scene also became critically ill and remains in hospital.
government scientists at porton down have confirmed that the cause is a russian military-grade nerve agent novichok.
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Corney
You took my joke too seriously