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  17 October, 2018 Russia - Kerch College Massacre

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sadly an 18 year old russian male shot and killed 20 people and injured another 70. this occurred last year on the 17th october, 2018. kim and mike (youtubers) reported this today.. the russian had been raised by his mother who is a jehovah's witness.

  his ex girlfriend said that he had been subject to bullying because he was seen as different by other school kids and believed the shooting may have been a form of revenge.further information can be found here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kerch_polytechnic_college_massacre.

  his mother belonged to the local jehovah's witnesses,[27][28][29][30] limited his social activity, searched his pockets and refused to allow him to go to the cinema or use a computer, only allowing the latter when he turned 16.

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  Corney

  This part of the Wikipedia article is very poorly written. It gives the impression that multiple sources were taken into account but in fact it cites mostly third-hand reports based on very few secondary sources. All media reports contradicting the main narrative are ignored.

  I wrote on this issue here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5073857628078080/russian-gunman-raised-jw-family?page=2#/5643711020007424

  Unfortunately, I have almost nothing to add. Journalists have lost interest in this story, and there were no new info, no valuable, informative media reports were published during the last 4 months. Available information is incomplete and inconsistent, often unverified. The official investigation is conducted in secrecy, and even when it will be over the case files won't be released. It is SAD, isn't it?

  Maybe Mike & kim can give us a more balanced view.

  I would also love to hear Johnny the Bethelite. For his balanced view and inside information.
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  Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.

  it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.

  (ouch!

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  OrphanCrow,

  You ignore the context and connect unconnected. The org had no intention to avoid established procedures and tried to obtain proper permits but local authorities often abused and violated the law by refusing to issue them. Then it obtained permits for commercial or residential buildings. Just like many other minority religions had to do. Was it honest? No. Did it harmed public interests? Again, no: land was obtained legally (generally bought), not by fraud, building safety wasn't impacted, the state wasn't deprived of any taxes. Compare with the Orthodox Church that often doesn't even try to obtain any permit but authorities almost always help it to legalize its illegal buildings.

  As to the org's unsuccessful attempt to prevent unlawful confiscation of its properties after countless flagrant violations of the law committed by police, "experts", "judges" with total impunity, I cannot blame it.

  Finally, a proper "price" of minor regulatory violation could be a fine, not confiscation.
  

  Splash,

  The campaign was started after the MoJ filed its application with the Supreme "Court". Do you really believe it could lose? In no way it could.

  I'm not saying the campaign was wise - no, it wasn't. But, first, its impact shouldn't be overvalued; second, the most of those criticizing it are just sympathizers of other campaign - of raids, searches, arrests, criminal prosecutions, surveillance, intimidation, tortures etc.
  
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  Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.

  it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.

  (ouch!

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  Pete Zahut, the ban had nothing to do with the law the org's alleged non-compliance.

  The Fall Guy, that's what I wrote about. But both views "What's bad for Watchtower is always good" and "What's bad for Watchtower is always wrong" are sectarian and wrong.

  incognito2014, arbitrary seizure of building of worship of entire denomination violates rights and dignity of its members.

  Biahi, apples and oranges.

  Brokeback Watchtower, I don't think it's a good idea to equate victims' lawsuits and public exposure with state terrorism.

  Splash, there is no causal link. It would've happened anyway.
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  Russia Confiscates $30.4 Million Property From Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/russia-confiscates-30-4-million-property-jehovahs-witnesses.

  it would appear that with this most recent confiscation the total taken from the jws by moscow amounts to more that $75 million.

  (ouch!

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  Corney

  This is theft, unlawful seizure inextricably linked to multiple raids, arrests, tortures etc. I don't understand how anybody having principles other than "I hate Watchtower" can glorify it.
  
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  WT's ICO details have disappeared?

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the wt used to have a long page on the ico website listing all the data they gathered and what they were going to do with it.

  their basic contact listings are there but thats all??.

  whats going on??

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  Corney

  The org's entities are registered with the ICO, but the Office's register isn't very informative:

  https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/Z4617720

  https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/Z5281400

  https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA220715

  
  
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  JW's in Russia tortured

  by ScottyRex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-47419918/russian-jehovah-s-witnesses-claim-state-tortured-them.

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  dubstepped,

  The same. But armed raids occur on average every 7-10 days.

  Everything indicates these crimes won't be properly investigated and prosecuted. The local gestapo has already accused Witnesses, through its puppet media, of being "worse than ISIS", of espionage, infiltration, using hypnosis, collecting forcible donations, even of beating each other themselves to blame the investigation (!), and similar bullshit.

  I also think it's important to remember that Jason Wynne and his cronies proudly claimed (partial) responsibility for the ban, i.e. for every armed raid, search, arrest, act of surveillance, intimidation, torture etc. Just for the record.
  
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  Web sites that Jehovah's Witnesses can go to

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what exjw sites could i refer a seeker of true to look at besides this one?.

  since this is the only exjw web site that i'm a member of, i would like to make mention of other web sites for people to look at in my book.

  i only know of two others.. jw facts and jw survey.

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  jwleaks,

  Since you're here and promote your site, can you comment on that?

  
  
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  7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

  by Drearyweather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

  at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

  ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

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  Nathan Natas The hidden mystery is that those who ADMIT they don't give a damn THINK they are being far more honest

  Wrong. Those who claim, often repeatedly, how they don't care about Russia's treatment of JWs are lying hypocrites since in fact they continuously and vehemently defend literally everything the Russian government does to Witnesses. Only those usually justifying and glorifying the ban but now saying how they are sorry and sad are worse.

  Listener,

  You have a weird definition of "insult".

  The "laws" violated by Witnesses are injust and unconstitutional. Would you blame those who break "laws" criminalizing "sodomy" or "apostasy" and those who support them?
  

  Legal actions certainly will benefit the actual and potential victims, including every JW and every Russian (torture is a common method of investigation there).
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  7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

  by Drearyweather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

  at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

  ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

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  Incognito,

  Torture and the ban (that includes officially declaring all JWs enemies of the state and dangerous criminals) ARE one and the same.

  And answering to your questions:

  at least two well-known WT lawyers represent the victims;

  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-jehovahs-witness-crackdown-surgut-religion-discrimination-a8790761.html
  
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  7 Jehovah’s Witnesses Brutally Tortured in Russia

  by Drearyweather in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://jw-russia.org/en/news/19021923-622.html.

  at least seven of jehovah’s witnesses were subjected to torture—electric shocks, suffocation, and cruel beatings—on the first floor of the russian investigative committee’s building at ul.

  ostrovskogo, d. 47, in surgut.

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  StephaneLaliberte,

  Seven named individuals and their lawyer, all living in Russia, have filed official complaints against named officers. One of the victims has given an interview to a media outlet. You can also read one of the victims' written testimonies (published by prominent human rights defender Lev Ponomaryov) and decide for yourself whether it's credible: https://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/190220b.html

  [Note: lawyer Fomina is a "public defender" appointed by the prosecution side; read more on the issue here: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2016/01/26/an-indefensible-public-defender-system ]