stan, just noticed you proved to be a kind of prophet.
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5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale
by usualusername1 ini had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.
price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.
am in shock.
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5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale
by usualusername1 ini had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.
price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.
am in shock.
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The above-mentioned listing has disappeared, the Addington Residents' Association announced that "it looks like it [the property] may have been sold now" (source, p. 5), and I think I know who is the purchaser and what is the sale price:
https://www.hyderi.org.uk/event/saturday-2nd-night-mahe-ramadhan-sgm-notice/
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Anyone know the org's view on the HPV vaccine?
by careful intypes of cancer.i've been wondering for some time what the current gb has said about witness parents giving the green light, or red light, to having their kids vaccinated against hpv (the human papillomavirus) since it is a sexually transmitted disease.
it causes cervical and other types of cancer.
the recommended age for vaccination is 8-12 years old.
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This is apparently the only WT publication on HPV: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102005453
The 2005 article admits that HPV may be transmitted in ways other than sexual contact but still states that abstinence and mutual monogamy are the best prevention methods. It doesn't address vaccination in details, which is understandable, given that (AFAIK) the first HPV vaccine became available only in 2006.
This issue was not covered in more recent publications and the 2011 Correspondence Guidelines.
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IICSA hearings resume next week
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) will hold additional virtual public hearings in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation next week.. the timetable was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20825/view/virtual-cpiros-timetable-week-3-10-august-2020.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next monday and tuesday, 10 and 11 august:.
- pr-a5, a victim abused by ministerial servant peter stewart;.
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slim, you're welcome.
smiddy, no, it's a fact-finding body akin to the ARC.
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IICSA hearings resume next week
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) will hold additional virtual public hearings in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation next week.. the timetable was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20825/view/virtual-cpiros-timetable-week-3-10-august-2020.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next monday and tuesday, 10 and 11 august:.
- pr-a5, a victim abused by ministerial servant peter stewart;.
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Charity Commission's Harvey Grenville (currently a senior technical advisor) on the Watch Tower Britain and Manchester New Moston inquiries:
We clearly recognise the right of charities to challenge our decisions when they think that we have got it wrong, but we are on record as saying, in particular in respect of the Manchester New Moston and The Watchtower inquiries, that the level of legal challenge that we received, which I think numbered five in two years, is simply unprecedented. In the instance of -- I think it is separate for Watchtower, but in the instance of the Manchester New Moston inquiry, it was the primary factor why we were unable -- alongside the very limited co-operation that we received from the trustees and Watchtower as to why it took the length of time that it did. Essentially, we had to compile our findings independently of any engagement, or significant engagement, with either the trustees of Manchester New Moston or the branch -- the central office, and the only engagement that we received was at the end when we submitted the draft inquiry report for comments on factual accuracy.
...I think, overall, the characterisation or implication that somehow The Watchtower charity and the Branch Committee are fully co-operative with us is not a characterisation I would recognise.
...Most recently, we wrote to Watchtower with concerns about sufficiency of the policies and procedures that the congregations are using, with the expert and third party professional support. They responded with some concerns to those comments. I rang one of the Branch Committee members up in December, urging or requesting that we just simply meet face to face to discuss those items. They declined to do so, and, in response, we received pre-action correspondence of further potential litigation.
...the purpose of opening the inquiry into Watchtower was because, as a result of our earlier engagement, we understood that Watchtower was the charity that produced the child protection safeguarding policy for adoption by the congregations, and rather than us opening a class inquiry into 1,300 congregations, we sought to work directly at the centre. So the obstruction or the delays are, in our view, in a large part, due to the fact that Watchtower are not fully and actively co-operating with the inquiry. There is information we have requested that is outstanding. -
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IICSA hearings resume next week
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) will hold additional virtual public hearings in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation next week.. the timetable was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20825/view/virtual-cpiros-timetable-week-3-10-august-2020.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next monday and tuesday, 10 and 11 august:.
- pr-a5, a victim abused by ministerial servant peter stewart;.
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Corney
Is there any pressure on them to release this information? Or the figures in involved?
Lloyd Evans (and probably that exJW group too) called for a separate investigation into the JWs and asked the Inquiry to request files from the branch (a recent example) but it's unclear whether the panel is willing to do this.
Will the Kingdom Hall Trust, IBSA, and Watch Tower Britain be liable?
There are various possible scenarios, but in most cases it will be possible to sue, depending on circumstances, WTB or KHT.
Has Gillies ever explained whether long-standing elders have been questioned or checked for past involvement in child sexual abuse?
No, afaik
It seems to me that the Circuit Overseer and the elders in each congregation are responsible for appointments of elders and ministerial servants and so the body corporate cannot be held liable for compensation.
Why? Elders act under supervision and control of CCJW/WTB, policies are established and disseminated by CCJW/WTB, circuit overseers are appointed and paid by CCJW/WTB, congregations are officially declared KHT branches etc. etc.
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IICSA hearings resume next week
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) will hold additional virtual public hearings in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation next week.. the timetable was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20825/view/virtual-cpiros-timetable-week-3-10-august-2020.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next monday and tuesday, 10 and 11 august:.
- pr-a5, a victim abused by ministerial servant peter stewart;.
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Secondly it should be rather easy to prove that not all the information in the elder’s book is available elsewhere. Has anyone gone to the trouble of specifically identifying what information is not accessible for non-elders?
Lloyd tried (additional statement, paragraph 11)
Yet the document at no point discusses the fact that children can go on the ministry with adults who are not their parents
Gillies addressed this and similar issues in his additional statement (paragraphs 8-14). I don't know whether his arguments are legally correct but they don't seem persuasive.
These numbers appear to be relatively low compared with the numbers uncovered by the Australian Royal Commission, where around 1000 historic accusations were recorded and not reported to the authorities, from a smaller population. Is there a reason based in definition or in practice that would explain why these numbers appear to be of a different order of magnitude?
Yes, it's about definition: these numbers refer only to "institutional" abusers, i.e. elders, ministerial servants and "persons accused of committing child sexual abuse in an institutional context (e.g. alleged abuse at a place of worship by a congregant or a non-Witness)" (paragraph 82).
Throughout the document the author is at pains to stress that Watch Tower charities do no set policies and it attempts to shield them from legal culpability. Are these credible manoeuvres or futile gestures?
Their position, as I understand, is that since 2011, the CCJW (which apparently operates the Legal and Service departments) is the only branch entity responsible for safeguarding (see also this ruling, paragraphs 6 and 7). I don't think they have great chances to prevail on this issue; by the way, the KHT has explicitly accepted responsibility for child safeguarding.
I'm also surprised by the claim that the local congregation charities' sole function is to "administer property and financial matters". In my opinion, no court will ever accept this.
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IICSA hearings resume next week
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) will hold additional virtual public hearings in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation next week.. the timetable was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20825/view/virtual-cpiros-timetable-week-3-10-august-2020.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next monday and tuesday, 10 and 11 august:.
- pr-a5, a victim abused by ministerial servant peter stewart;.
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IICSA hearings resume next week
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) will hold additional virtual public hearings in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation next week.. the timetable was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/20825/view/virtual-cpiros-timetable-week-3-10-august-2020.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next monday and tuesday, 10 and 11 august:.
- pr-a5, a victim abused by ministerial servant peter stewart;.
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Yes. Also, transcripts and recordings will be availbale here: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/investigation/child-protection-religious-organisations-and-settings?tab=hearing
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IICSA hearings on religious organizations begin 16 March
by Corney inthe independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa) is holding a public hearing in the child protection in religious organisations and settings investigation for the next two weeks.
the provisional timetable for the first week was released today: https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/17795/view/2020-03-12-cpiros-public-hearing-week-one-timetable.pdf .
five witnesses will testify on the jw issue next thursday, 19 march:.
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