judge blasts church over sex offences .
by michele tydd .
a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.
The WTBTS is neither better nor worse than any other religious group.
The fault I see with the Society is the attempt to insinuate that while Christendom has these various "problems", the "true church" is without blemish. The Society has never, in my recollection, acknowledged that they are no different than any other group....the fault is always in the individual.
judge blasts church over sex offences .
by michele tydd .
a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.
Waiting, this whole thing about protecting the congregation is absolutely ridiculous. They are so concerned about looking good to the world that they're willing to sacrifice lives and allow criminals to continue on with their heinous acts.
I would think that protection of the sheep would come first...no matter that the world finds out that JW's are not all perfect and wonderful....no matter that the world finds out that JW's are just like everyone else.
They're so quick to criticize other religions for immoral and illegal acts committed by their members. It doesn't make the problem go away by denying its existence.
i'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
In many cases, those committing these types of offenses need help and support rather than shunning.
Also, from my best recollection, alcoholics cannot be disfellowshipped. Alcoholism has been determined to be a disease, and the Society would take a lot of flak for throwing out someone with a medical condition. Besides, it seems to me that an awful lot of JW's like liquor more than just a little.
Again, this goes back to what I've said in previous posts. Elders should have some sort of psychological training so that they could help some of these "sinners". Throwing people out does nothing to help them....rather it solidifies their feelings of inadequacy and their low self-esteem.
Obviously, a person who is committing these types of acts should not be in a position of authority in the congregation, but shunning them or labelling them by reproof and then letting them deal with it on their own does NOTHING to help heal the person.
It's a complicated issue, but it seems that the Society is first and foremost concerned with how they look to the "world". The individual's spiritual life and their problems are of little relevance to the WTBTS.
I've also noticed that disfellowshipping is based very frequently on personalities and prestige. There was a pioneer sister in our congregation who was frequently drunk, involved in hit-and-run accidents, and openly lewd behavior toward the unbelieving husbands of many sisters. She was never disfellowshipped, nor even reproved, and she maintained her position as a pioneer. In fact, she was frequently used in assembly programs.
Then there was the MS who was married to the daughter of an elder. He is still in prison for a murder he committed while trying to get money to support his cocaine habit. I never heard a word about his being disfellowshipped from the congregation, and to the best of my knowledge, he was not.
judge blasts church over sex offences .
by michele tydd .
a wollongong judge yesterday launched a scathing attack on the jehovah's.
I hope that the congregations in the US have changed their stance on this. In talking with many who were sexually abused by parents or others in the congregation, nothing was done to help the victim and the whole matter was hushed up so that the congregation could appear without blemish. Some of these instances were not all that long ago.
i'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
Path, yes, it was the smoking. It just really floored me at the time. He had been inactive for quite some time, and we had gone back to the Hall probably a total of ten times, along with the study. It was "quit or you'll be disfellowshipped".
It wasn't really the smoking, though, in my estimation....it was the fact that he was asking too many questions that they couldn't answer.
i'm trying to gather every scripture used to imply that the practice of disfellowshipping among christians is scriptual.
please notice that i did not say "to imply that the "idea" is scriptual, but the "practice".
any input would be of help.
My husband was disfellowshipped....for smoking. Actually I think it was more that he was asking too many questions.
We had been sporadically inactive for several years, and we finally determined that we would exert every effort to get back.
We started attending the Hall in the new town to which we had moved, and asked for a study. Since my husband had gotten baptised mainly so that I would date him, he never really had a good basis for making the decision to get baptised.
He started asking all kinds of questions for which he refused to accept the "you have to accept it on faith" answer. The elders got really nervous and asked my husband if he smoked (they had never seen him smoke, there were no cigarette butts around...just an empty ashtray on the coffee table...which was there for any guests who smoked...I wouldn't allow my husband to smoke in the house).
They gave him a 30-day ultimatum, which he didn't meet, so he was disfellowshipped. That pretty much ended my quest to return. It was difficult to begin with, and being shunned by virtue of marriage to a disfellowshipped person made it just about impossible.
this forum is very quiet.. i guess all us with kids are kept too busy to post!.
we have two boys - liam (3) and dylan (1).
how about everyone else ?
waiting.....LOL The color TV is a great idea...if it gets on your nerves you can shut it off.
we're getting worried about ya.
big hugs, .
rcat
Okay, Frenchy....Western saddle all polished and waiting......now....which horse do you want? Thoroughbred, Peruvian, or Buckskin?
this really hasn't got anything to do with sex, but i figure if you can have a masterbation thread in the bible research forum, why not bible research in the sex forum...besides, its groovey down here and bible study is such a turn on sometimes!.
luke refers to the gentile times, when jerusalem will be trampled until the times of the gentiles shall be complete.this is 607bce to 1914.
" jerusalem" here refers not to literal jerusalem, though you wouldn't know it from reading luke if the wt hadn't told you, but actually refers to "spiritual" or symbolic jerusalem..so the trampling should stop in 1914.well.....according to them(wt) the trampling does but it doesn't.. rev11:2....they holy city will be trampled on underfoot for 42 months....this is from 1914-1918...so the trampling of jerusalem stops in 1914, but at the same time also continues past 1914 to 1918 according to the wt.....what do the witnesses or russelites do during this peroid, well its supposed to be a peroid of persecution, thats why jerusalem is trampled...well, it must have been some peroid of persecution because while all this trampling is going on they are doing this:.
Zep, waiting is wearing a lovely flannel gown...high-necked with a rouching of ecru lace at the collar....long sleeved with tiny pearl buttons at the wrists....and combat boots.
Waiting, I think the ultimate irony would be if those JW's then started quoting that story to show how corrupt and evil things are in this System of Things.....boggles the mind, doesn't it?
