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  I'm Going to Regular Meetups at LDS Church!

  by Simon in

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  yeah, i know ... who would want to step foot anywhere near a new-age religious church after being brought up a jw, right?.

  i know some will already be judging me, but hold-on - it maybe even worse than you imagine!.

  the group i meet-up with ... don't go inside, we never pray, we, erm, we just hang out in the car-park.. you're thinking "wtf?

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  Simon .LOL! I just snorted.
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  Study Watchtower confirms shunning spiritually weak. How nice!

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it really hurt to hear brothers and sisters commenting about this at the meeting yesterday.. "as in solomon’s case, one of the greatest threats to spirituality is friendship with those who do not understand or respect jehovah’s standards.

  some may be associated with the congregation but may be spiritually weak.

  others could be relatives, neighbors, coworkers, or schoolmates who are not worshippers of jehovah.

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  Darkknight757-Wouldn’t the spiritually weak benefit from association with spiritually strong people? Most of “Christendom’s” churches recognize that.

  And most all physiologist, therapist,and any one with half a brain ...the very basic of all human needs... to be loved and excepted.
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  Study Watchtower confirms shunning spiritually weak. How nice!

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it really hurt to hear brothers and sisters commenting about this at the meeting yesterday.. "as in solomon’s case, one of the greatest threats to spirituality is friendship with those who do not understand or respect jehovah’s standards.

  some may be associated with the congregation but may be spiritually weak.

  others could be relatives, neighbors, coworkers, or schoolmates who are not worshippers of jehovah.

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  They have always had this stance.

  I wonder how many "spirtually weak" individuals in the cong just needed love that was denied to them because of this awful teaching? Plenty.

  Isolated within an isolated minority group. How disgusting.
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  Overwhelmed

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone else feel overwhelmed on what to believe?.

  i've been doing lots of research on beliefs, evolution, creationism but i feel no further forward about what i truly believe.

  for example i looked at the fossil record and tiktaalic and thought great it proves a lot but then i've seen counter arguments on youtube of people basically saying its a load of rubbish and doesn't prove anything.

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  Freedom rocks-Does anyone else feel overwhelmed on what to believe?

  I've been doing lots of research on beliefs, evolution, creationism but I feel no further forward about what I truly believe.

  For example I looked at the fossil record and tiktaalic and thought great it proves a lot but then I've seen counter arguments on YouTube of people basically saying its a load of rubbish and doesn't prove anything.

  I'm left confused because there seems to be strong arguments for and against most theories and discoveries.

  12 years ago after I had saved up 100,s of books of all kinds of spirituality, religions, archaeology and more I moved in to the mountains off the grid and while working my two full time jobs and learning to live off the grid I read most all of them. MIND FUCKING BLOWN.

  The first year was great. The next 4 were a living hell. Why? because the only thing left to pick apart for me was my belief system.

  Let me tell you, you do not know yourself unless you live isolated in the mountains with no human interaction for months at a time(no internet, just books and nature) then every tiny 'demon' you have hidden in the depths of your mind will surface.

  It drove me to madness and I got help. But I understand myself in a way I never thought possible.

  And if I thought going off the grid was hard. Coming back on and diving into technology has been equally as hard if not harder now.

  I always dreamed of living off the grid growing up and I did it. I saw so many things. Grizzlies, mountain lions, cougars, and much more.

  One of my summers in the mountains I remember a plant I had never seen before that had purple flowers on it and I was so lonely I would talk to it. It didnt talk back.lol. Unless you count just feeling connected to the peace it brought me when nothing else did.

  I cant believe 'nor others' that I went to such extremes to escape my own mindand find it and bebunk it.. Yet what I really did or how it played out is I learned more about myself then I could have ever learned. It turned out I couldn't escape myself nor the abuse from the wtbts cult. For me it accelerated the deprogramming. And broke my heart.

  Now I still live pretty far out and am trying to reintegrate back into society and it has been a very long process.

  I find that spirituality is a never ending spiral even after all that experience and I also found that people need people.

  So much much more I could say about my experience but I digress for now.

  To the OP, thousands upon thousands of years and people are still 'Looking'. I dont think we will find the "answers" in our life time in a framework that is operating on a flawed premise.

  Science,hard facts, archaeology, are a decent place to start. Imo.

  Caves
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  Saw homemade "Cart art" and murmurs about cart working yesterday.To old to do cart work?

  by caves in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday i parked at a rest stop for a bit and there were 2 ladys at a cart.

  the cart sign was hand painted.

  that was odd to me.

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  sir82-It makes JWs look like loons, to be honest.

  Yes it does. At least when door to door was the 'trademark' of jw witnessing it seemed like they had some balls.

  Now at carts I always see them in their phones, looking lost and bored. Why in the world would I want to read material from people that seem lost and bored??? I mean if I was searching for "the truth" or "god", Id want to see enthusiasm of some sort. Its so passive now they may as just curl up on a cot with a blanket and pillow.

  As for the loss of their balls, they can always find them hanging on the pedos in the org.
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  Comedy

  by caves in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i like to watch stand up comedy and comedy clips.

  do you have favorite comedians or skits ect?

  https://youtu.be/5lgeiil1__s.

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  https://youtu.be/F-mju_gW3c8
  
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  I yelled at dubs today ( again )

  by kairos in

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  2. friends

  so i roll up to the job site and looky there, two uber pioneer dubs dragging themselves down the sidewalk.

  both ladies are in there early 60's and born in.. my heart started pumping, but i had to act.i was directly across the street from them.

  i walked right to the sidewalk and said in a very loud, but not mean voice: "you can't teach overlapping generations from the bible!!

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  Kairos,

  Thats what I felt from your post, just exactly how you last broke it down.

  I remember getting yelled at in service. Does that mean I was going to go try and find jws to yell at now , no of course not.But I have in the past to 'Defend my personal truth' and I did feel ashamed, honestly it was a mixed bag of emotions.

  I not long ago had a jw come knocking and I was about to cut loose but upon opening the door they had their maybe 5 yr old with them. I just said no thanks and closed the door and shed many tears. (I felt sorry for the child) It hurt seeing a little tike like I was at one point and feeling helpless to state any case.

  However Two elders passed by and was asking for directions and were being that fake nice pushy jw thing , so I told them the wrong directions. Wanted to yell, but it was a little satisfying to watch them circle again lost, giving me a look like "we wont bother him".

  It IS that 'trance thing' that keeps me from ripping them a new one. I even slip into cognitive dissonance sometimes and have to pull myself out of it. Grrr... This site is helping.

  Im plenty pissed, and completely heartbroken.

  But one thing Im trying really hard to do is put some 'faith' if you will, in what so many have said on this site. That it will and does get better. I have yet to find out. Hence, Im still really struggling.

  I felt connection with your post. It made me feel not so alone.

  I'll be real honest. I get totally jealous of others here that have family that are out and have some support beyond this site. I recognize that about myself and then I feel like crap for feeling that way.

  But so many others here have no support.

  Heres to hoping it gets better and better. I dont think I would be human or even a chance at normalish if I wasnt completely infuriated at it all.
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  Too restricting + more

  by jdash in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  good news or bad news first?

  i'll do bad.. my grandmother is becoming more and more strict as i turn closer to 18, which is in 3 months.

  i ask for the most simplest thing and it's like "let me think about it" i don't wanna seem as a complainer to you guys but i just want to be normal.

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  jdash- I don't wanna seem as a complainer to you guys but I just want to be normal.

  I wouldn't worry about the complainer part. I didn't see it that way and I guarantee no one else did.

  Your post is normal. Your feelings are normal given the circumstances.

  Jws are abnormal.

  I wish I could have grasped that my feelings were normal at your age. It took me until I was 40. Thanks to the heavy indoctrination in the WTBS cult.

  Congrats on college. Try to let no one rip that away from you.

  Id start just keeping things to yourself meaning dont tell your jw family or other jws if its going to cause you to feel the heavy guilt they lay on. You dont deserve that. Lfe journey cn be difficult enough without the extra burden of caring what they think.

  Care about what you think.
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  Saw homemade "Cart art" and murmurs about cart working yesterday.To old to do cart work?

  by caves in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday i parked at a rest stop for a bit and there were 2 ladys at a cart.

  the cart sign was hand painted.

  that was odd to me.

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  I found the artwork odd , as I to thought that would be frowned upon.

  As far as what the lady said about the elderly ones not being allowed to do cart work, I dont know if it was just this cong or another reason. What you said Dio made sense.
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  I yelled at dubs today ( again )

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i roll up to the job site and looky there, two uber pioneer dubs dragging themselves down the sidewalk.

  both ladies are in there early 60's and born in.. my heart started pumping, but i had to act.i was directly across the street from them.

  i walked right to the sidewalk and said in a very loud, but not mean voice: "you can't teach overlapping generations from the bible!!

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  Kairos-To be perfectly honest, I am very angry, bitter and heartbroken.

  I totally get it.

  Must be nice for all the apostates to play nice with the jw as they have played nice with others. (rolls eyes) FUCK THAT!!!

  Sometimes you got to let it out. Sometimes.

  Many of my jw family has had no problem throwing it in my face( sometimes yelling) that Im going to die and even laughing at me. 20 years I put up with it.

  Now if I want to speak my mind aggressively. I muther fucking will, without anyones cheap ass approval.

  Within the constraints of the law.