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Fadeaway1962
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Disfellowshipped JW's Still Have "Normal Family Relations"
by Sea Breeze in"when someone is disfellowshipped from the religion, normal family relations continue, with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”a watchtower lawyer clears up this common misunderstanding:.
https://jwvictims.org/2017/11/19/watchtower-lawyer-lies-outright-in-court-about-disfellowshipping-and-shunning/ .
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Article: What Is The Clergy-Penitent Privilege And How Can It Protect Sex Offenders?
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.oxygen.com/the-witnesses/crime-news/how-clergy-penitent-privilege-may-protect-sex-offenders.
how clergy-penitent privilege may protect sex offenders | crime news.
it’s a practice that is centuries old: confessing one’s sins to a trusted clergy member.
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Fadeaway1962
If a elder resigns or is removed anything confidential he was aware off there's nothing to stop him from disclosing that information , think a priest is bound by the Catholic church to keep things confidential .
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Outlaw temple
by Fadeaway1962 inancient 'outlaw temple' discovered in israel.
the famous first temple was not alone.. a bird's-eye view of the temple, taken at the end of the 2013 excavation season.. (image: © p. partouche/skyview).
image 1 of 6. one of the two human-shaped figurines.
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Fadeaway1962
Ancient 'outlaw temple' discovered in Israel
The famous First Temple was not alone.
A bird's-eye view of the temple, taken at the end of the 2013 excavation season.(Image: © P. Partouche/SkyView)The discovery of an Iron Age temple near Jerusalem has upended the idea that the ancient Kingdom of Judah, located in what is now southern Israel, had just one temple: the First Temple, also known as Solomon's Temple, a holy place of worship in Jerusalem that stood from the 10th century B.C. until its destruction, in 586 B.C.
AdvertisementThe newfound temple — whose roughly 150 congregants worshiped Yahweh but also used idols to communicate with the divine — was in use during the same period as the First Temple. Its discovery shows that, despite what the Jewish Bible says, there were other contemporary temples besides the First Temple in the kingdom.
"If a group of people living so close to Jerusalem had their own temple, maybe the rule of the Jerusalem elite was not so strong and the kingdom was not so well established as described in the Bible?" study co-researcher Shua Kisilevitz, a doctoral student of archaeology at Tel Aviv University in Israel and an archaeologist with the Israel Antiquities Authority, told Live Science.
Related: Photos: Israel's largest Neolithic excavation
Archaeologists have known about the Iron Age site at Tel Motza, located less than 4 miles (6.4 kilometers) outside Jerusalem, since the early 1990s. However, it wasn't until 2012 that researchers discovered the remains of a temple there, and it wasn't until just last year that they excavated it further, ahead of a highway project.
This temple was likely built around 900 B.C. and operated for a few hundred years, until its demise in the early sixth century B.C., according to Kisilevitz and her co-researcher, who wrote about it in the January/February issue of the Biblical Archaeology Review magazine.
This timing of the temple's existence dumbfounded archaeologists. "The Bible details the religious reforms of King Hezekiah and King Josiah, who assertedly consolidated worship practices to Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem and eliminated all cultic activity beyond its boundaries," Kisilevitz and review co-author Oded Lipschits, the director of the Sonia and Marco Nadler Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, wrote in the magazine.
These reforms likely happened between the late eighth and the late seventh centuries B.C. In other words, they occurred at the same time that the Tel Motza synagogue was operating, the researchers said.
Was it daring for such a temple to seemingly defy the kings' orders and operate so close to Jerusalem? The only other known temple from this time period in the kingdom, besides the First Temple, "is a small temple in the southern border fort of Arad, which served the local garrison," Kisilevitz said.
However, it appears that there were sanctioned temples in the kingdom whose continued existence was permitted, despite Hezekiah's and Josiah's reforms, Kisilevitz and Lipschits said. Here's how that may have happened.
Image 1 of 6One of the two human-shaped figurines. (Image credit: C. Amit)These idols were likely used to communicate with the devine. (Image credit: C. Amit)A horse figurine unearthed at the site. (Image credit: C. Amit)The two horse figurines are the oldest known depictions of horses from the Iron Age in the Kingdom of Judah. (Image credit: C. Amit)One of the two human-shaped figurines. (Image credit: C. Amit)(Image credit: S. Kisilevitz)Ancient granary
The site was home not just to the temple, but also to dozens of silos for grain storage and redistribution. In fact, the granary appears to have thrived as time went on, and it even had buildings that likely served administrative and religious purposes.
It appears that Tel Motza became such a successful granary that it catered to Jerusalem and became an economic powerhouse. "It seems that the construction of the temple — and the worship conducted in it — were related to [the granary's] economic significance," the researchers wrote in the magazine piece.
So, perhaps the temple was allowed to exist because it was tied to the granary and didn't seem to threaten the kingdom in any way, the researchers said.
Broken idols
The temple itself was a rectangular building with an open courtyard in front. This courtyard "served as a focal point for the cultic activity, as the general population was not allowed into the temple itself," Kisilevitz told Live Science.
"Cultic finds in the courtyard include a stone-built altar on which animals were sacrificed and their remains discarded into a pit dug nearby," Kisilevitz said. In addition, four clay figurines — two human-like and two horse-like — had been broken and buried in the courtyard, likely as part of a cultic ritual.
The horse-like figurines may be the oldest known depictions of horses from the Iron Age of Judah, the researchers added.
Related: Photos: The ancient ruins of Shivta in southern Israel
But the ancient people probably weren't worshipping the clay idols, Kisilevitz noted. Rather, these idols were "a medium through which the people could communicate with the god [or gods]," likely to ask for good rainfall, fertility and harvest, Kisilevitz told Live Science.
It's not surprising that people in the ancient Kingdom of Judah used idols, the archaeologists noted.
"Evidence of cultic activity throughout the Kingdom of Judah exists both in the biblical texts (depicted as royally sanctioned, with the notable exception of Hezekiah and Josiah who conducted cultic reform) and in the archaeological finds," Kisilevitz told Live Science.
Moreover, during this time, new political groups were emerging in the Levant, the region that includes Israel and its neighboring countries today. Given these tumultuous changes, people tended to stick with their old religious practices, the researchers said. Even the Tel Motza temple's architecture and its artifacts were reminiscent of religious traditions from the ancient Near East that had been practiced since the third millennium B.C., the researchers said.
In all, the discovery of this temple sheds light on state formation during this period, the researchers said. When the Kingdom of Judah first emerged, it wasn't as strong and centralized as it was later on, but it built relationships with local nearby rulers, including one at Tel Motza, the researchers said
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How Many Here Remember Hearing Details from the Platform on Why a Person was Reproved or DF'd ???
by RubaDub ini just had this flashback when commenting on another thread about how they used to announce reproof or dfing from the platform.
at least in our congregation, it was a dramatic event (this is what i can remember from back in the mid-late 60's or early 70's when i was a kid).. at the end of the service meeting, just before singing the final song, the brother would announce, "we have a letter that must be read.
the "congregation servant" (my grandfather or later my father) would then slowly walk from the back of the kh to the platform.
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Fadeaway1962
They also used to announce
That Joe bloggs is no longer a unbaptised publisher , usually young ones .
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How Many Here Remember Hearing Details from the Platform on Why a Person was Reproved or DF'd ???
by RubaDub ini just had this flashback when commenting on another thread about how they used to announce reproof or dfing from the platform.
at least in our congregation, it was a dramatic event (this is what i can remember from back in the mid-late 60's or early 70's when i was a kid).. at the end of the service meeting, just before singing the final song, the brother would announce, "we have a letter that must be read.
the "congregation servant" (my grandfather or later my father) would then slowly walk from the back of the kh to the platform.
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Fadeaway1962
Thanks RubaDub was just a teenager then , should have listened better at the meeting rather than just wanting to talk to my pals after the meeting
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How Many Here Remember Hearing Details from the Platform on Why a Person was Reproved or DF'd ???
by RubaDub ini just had this flashback when commenting on another thread about how they used to announce reproof or dfing from the platform.
at least in our congregation, it was a dramatic event (this is what i can remember from back in the mid-late 60's or early 70's when i was a kid).. at the end of the service meeting, just before singing the final song, the brother would announce, "we have a letter that must be read.
the "congregation servant" (my grandfather or later my father) would then slowly walk from the back of the kh to the platform.
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Fadeaway1962
Probation was that the same as a public reproof ?
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For those of you who've watched the Witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that...
by My Name is of No Consequence infor those of you who've watched the witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that the org was forced to make their database of abusers available to the courts.
if this database is as detailed and meticulous as it is claimed, how in the world could the org (in its present form) survive that?
assuming they don't go bankrupt after all of the new abuse claims, would they go underground, shut down the kingdom halls, stop the preaching?
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Fadeaway1962
Some appointed men no longer irreprehensble , the abusers and those who failed to report it.
If they change the statue of limitations then the police would be very busy.
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Recording judicial matters for the file
by Fadeaway1962 inhi i'm not sure if i remember it correctly but in the mid 2000 onwards i thought matters were recorded by the name bro so &so and the scripture say colossians 3:5 then say "uncleanness" .. which according to jws could mean almost anything of a sexual nature including child abuse ,so people could be hiding behind that .. or have i remembered correctly..
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Fadeaway1962
Thanks
For the elders file that they stopped writing out all the details of the wrongdoing and we were instructed just to write the name and a scripture regarding the judicial committee.
As you said it was for in case someone got access to the file they wouldn't know what the judicial action taken for , as there was just a scripture,so could not take court action.
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Recording judicial matters for the file
by Fadeaway1962 inhi i'm not sure if i remember it correctly but in the mid 2000 onwards i thought matters were recorded by the name bro so &so and the scripture say colossians 3:5 then say "uncleanness" .. which according to jws could mean almost anything of a sexual nature including child abuse ,so people could be hiding behind that .. or have i remembered correctly..
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Fadeaway1962
Hi I'm not sure if I remember it correctly but in the mid 2000 onwards I thought matters were recorded by the name bro so &so and the scripture say Colossians 3:5 then say "uncleanness" .
Which according to jws could mean almost anything of a sexual nature including child abuse ,so people could be hiding behind that .
Or have I remembered correctly.
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the FULL EPISODE 'The Witnesses,' from 🇺🇸 US Oxygen
by NRKoppe inthe full episode 'the witnesses,' from 🇺🇸 us oxygen(viewable from 🧶 outside of the us!
)https://www.facebook.com/jws4justice/videos/543483709706749/
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Fadeaway1962
Thanks
Hope they stream gov body on the stand .