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Bush Documents a Forgery

by Yizuman in

on september 8th, the cbs show 60 minutes ii ran a story bringing to light which purported to show that when president bush was in the national guard he failed to obey orders.

the memos were supposed to have been written in the early 1970s by a lieutenant colonel jerry b. killian.

(who is, as it happens, died in 1984.

RevMalk

RevMalk,

For some strange reason, the naysayers on this thread are conspicuously silent. Even Dan Blather issued a retraction and an apology.

Farkel

Ya, I noticed that....

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Bush Documents a Forgery

by Yizuman in

on september 8th, the cbs show 60 minutes ii ran a story bringing to light which purported to show that when president bush was in the national guard he failed to obey orders.

the memos were supposed to have been written in the early 1970s by a lieutenant colonel jerry b. killian.

(who is, as it happens, died in 1984.

RevMalk

CBS: We Were Duped

Monday, September 20, 2004 By Liza Porteus

The man who gave CBS (search) controversial documents that have fueled a firestorm of controversy over President Bush's Vietnam-era Texas Air National Guard ( search ) service has admitted that he deliberately misled the television network, CBS said Monday in a statement.

Over the weekend, CBS' veteran news anchor Dan Rather ( search ) flew to Texas to interview Bill Burkett ( search ), a man who was believed by some to be the source of the memos.

CBS said Monday that Burkett did in fact mislead a CBS News producer about the documents. The network acknowledged that, based upon subsequent reporting on questions about the documents, it cannot prove they are authentic and therefore, they should not have been used in its "60 Minutes" report on Sept. 8.

Click Here to Read the CBS Documents

"Burkett, a retired National Guard lieutenant colonel, also admits that he deliberately misled the CBS News producer working on the report, giving her a false account of the documents' origins to protect a promise of confidentiality to the actual source," network spokeswoman Kelli Edwards said in the statement.

Burkett's full interview will be aired on Monday night's edition of "CBS Evening News with Dan Rather," from 6:30 p.m. to 7 p.m. EDT.

"'60 Minutes Wednesday' had full confidence in the original report or it would not have aired," CBS News President Andrew Heyward said in a statement.

"However, in the wake of serious and disturbing questions that came up after the broadcast, CBS News has done extensive additional reporting in an effort to confirm the documents' authenticity ? Based on what we now know, CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic, which is the only acceptable journalistic standard to justify using them in the report. We should not have used them. That was a mistake, which we deeply regret. Nothing is more important to us than our credibility and keeping faith with the millions of people who count on us for fair, accurate, reliable, and independent reporting. We will continue to work tirelessly to be worthy of that trust."

The Tiffany network and its management are commissioning an independent review.

Rather himself also issued a statement, saying, "I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically," adding that airing the documents was an "error in judgment."

"I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers," Rather continued. "That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where ? if I knew then what I know now ? I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question."

"It's about time. I think CBS is the last group in America that doesn't understand these are forgeries ? and really abusive forgeries," former Republican National Committee Chairman Bill Brock told FOX News after the statement was released. "Hallelujah they are finally admitted they were wrong and I hope they will be very forthcoming about their source and that they were duped."

Since the imbroglio began three weeks ago, the network has expressed confidence in the unidentified sources of the documents and the memos themselves, which suggest that Bush received special treatment to get into the Texas Air National Guard and may not have fulfilled his obligations to the Guard.

After a myriad of document experts and others came forward questioning the authenticity of the papers, CBS said last week it would further investigate the authenticity of the memos.

"We've said we are trying very hard to get to the bottom of these questions," Heyward said over the weekend.

Top network executives huddled throughout the weekend and refined the wording of its correction and apology throughout Monday morning.

CBS went into a "defensive crouch" and should have acknowledged sooner the possibility they were duped, Richard Cohen, a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post, told FOX News on Monday.

But "I essentially think it's a tempest in the teapot ? it was a mistake ? all news organizations make mistakes ? if they're aggressive and really care about covering the news ? it's part of the business."

Burkett has urged Democratic activists to wage "war" against Republican "dirty tricks."

Adding more fuel to the fire, Burkett, who lives in Abilene, Texas, has now also said that he passed the documents on to former Sen. Max Cleland, a Georgia Democrat and triple amputee from Vietnam, who is working with the Kerry campaign.

Burkett's had a long-running feud with Bush over health benefits and the Texas National Guard. Bob Hunter, a Republican legislator who investigated Burkett's charges, told FOX News he found them to be groundless.

Over the weekend, Bush commented publicly on the issue for the first time.

"There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered," he told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H. The president has continued to maintain that he is proud to have served in the Guard.

The original CBS report mainly relied on four memos purportedly written by the deceased Lt. Jerry B. Killian. Dated in the early 1970s, the papers say that Killian was pressured to "sugarcoat" the young Lt. Bush's record and that he ignored a direct order to take a physical.

But many experts have come forth to say that the typeface and other features of the memos most likely were written on a personal computer using Microsoft Word instead of typewriters common 30 years ago. Others who were familiar with Killian have come forth ? including his own family members ? and have said there is no way Killian would have written such memos.

The Bush-Cheney campaign has maintained that campaign staffers of Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry are behind the memo snafu.

FOX News' Major Garrett and Kelly Wright contributed to this report.

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

I guess you can't get any more public than that.

Sounds to me like they have a grasp on the whole situation and are not keeping any secrets. All the best to them both.

Rev

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

Let's not get into people's personal lives. Criticise people's pulic actions but everyone should have the right to privacy.

No doubt. I'm sorry I didn't see this earlier. I responded fairly early in this thread, and I'm sorry it went into personal areas.

I apologize for taking part in that. Once it was mentioned, I assumed it was public knowledge. I was truley shocked by it, but I wish them both well.

Rev

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

oh, you mean the scrolling thing on your browser?

That's from a javascript on the silentlambs website, which is embedded into a post on page one of the thread.

Rev

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

Thanks guys for noticing me, but in all reality, Big Tex is the real heart and soul behind LambsRoar (and of course all the wonderful members).

Rev

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

Exactly.
Let's hear from them; not the opinions of those who have done nothing. Myself very much included in that category. I am sorry, Mole to drag you into it. I know that you're still trying to leave the organization. But I can't stand by and watch you drag Bill Bowen through the mud without some kind of reason, other than what happens at a silly message board!

Ahhh! I gotcha.

Still, everyone has the right to an opinion.

Bill said they married very young and without the WTS to bind them, they found they had little in common. I feel for their kids. He says Sheila feels the same, but I wonder.

I'm shocked. I had no idea.

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

I also have to wonder if Bill's divorce has also added to this.

They divorced?? that's sad....

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

There's alot of people here that have done alot more than you think shamus. It's true most of us aren't doing squat, but there's a ton who've been fighting the battle long before any of us were around.

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silent lambs has failed..

by the mole in

if any one has been a regular such as i have in the silent lambs site you will have noticed it has changed for the worse..as of last week i decided to withdraw from my membership...the site was designed by bill to vent, explain and devulge abuse that we have witnessed or experienced..as in my case as a former m.s i had seen two coverups in my hall...the parents to afraid to go to the police and the elders screaming jehovah will leave them if they tell on the org is the crime i had to bare with..so i spoke up and left the org...silent lambs was for that reason...now.

it has mutated to a cheap lowlevel site for apologist and non witness who want to argue on unrelated topics..to top it off bill has given the site to an editor who is so silly and more involved than the participants why bother anymore....to bill..you lost your way...

RevMalk

Sorry to say, Mole, I believe in Bill Bowen.
Unlike you and I, he stood up to the WTBTS, came out in the open, and still exposes it to this day. What have I done? Nothing. What have you done? NOTHING.
Don't throw stones in glass houses.

Well, I don't know if that's fair either. How do we know what the mole has done? Rev