well, it may depend on how long you sit and wait for it.....
let's say you stay the whole 10 hours or whatever it is, I'd say you could easily gather this amount ----> $0.00
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Silent Lambs Contribution Box
by Beans inafter reading about all the money the watchtower uses to protect the guilty i was wondering why aren't any jw's gathering any money or donating to the real problem.
when a community has a problem they raise funds to support those in need!.
so why not go to the next convention and stand outside of it holding a sign and a contribution box asking for help to support the victims of child abuse!.
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A legal question
by JeffT ina friend of mine at work as been getting bombarded with porn spam.
most of the time we treat it as a joke, asking her what she's been looking at the net that generates that stuff.
lately she's received a couple that look like child porn.
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I had the same thing happen to me yesterday, and it seemed like child porn, I was shocked!
I didn't get an email, it just popped up on me from somewhere. I wanted to get their contact information, but didn't stick around long enough to find it. I got out of there as soon as I could.
These people make me sick!
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I also wanted to note that the survey will include questions such as length of abuse, who the abuser was, and who was told about the abuse, and if they contacted the Police.
My opinion is that if we get as many JWs and ex-JWs as we can into this project, we will have yet more record of the statistics of JW abuse, and lack of professionalism involved in the process.
Also, if we make an impact on this research project, enough that the professional world takes notice, we'll find the interest in compiling reports on JW abuse alone. This is something that has been tossed around in this cause for quite some time, but no-one so far has had the funds to finance a detailed study.
This is important! It's yet another step in the direction of public awareness both in and out of the sect.
Rev
PS - Thank you Dr. Franklin for supplying this information.
To learn more about Dr. Franklin, please visit his Biography by clicking here.
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The "F" word..
by Brummie inf is for farkel right?.
did he really leave or something?
i think we should have a farkel appreciation thread dont you?
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I believe these words are the 'truest' I've ever seen on these boards:
...... people aren't really free if seeing new truths can only be accomplished by reading another's words
Excellent post! How do I sign up?
Rev
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What Homepage do you have ?
by mattnoel inok so you know when you click to open internet explorer and up pops the homepage of your service or whatever you wish to have there.
i am on ntlworld at the moment but ntl are not very good so just use their cable modem, i decided to use tiscali which was really good but now all of a sudden they have started having pop up adds which is really irritating so i am now shopping for another one.
any suggestions ?
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Letter Read Last Night
by Intuit39 inhey bro, i just thought it may interest you to know that they read a letter last night describing how they need to build a new printing facility up at patterson that will be the size of two assembly halls.
they will be getting all new printing machines to be shipped from all over the world, and they will need many volunteers for the project to be completed by january 2004. and we should all realize that this is going to be at a tremendous cost, the buildings alone should cost about 60,000,000 dollars.
please start praying about what we can do, yada, yada, yada.
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LOL!
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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HS,
I do agree 100% that the Elders are responsible here, there is no doubt in my mind. And I hope I'm not sounding argumentative, I'm merely trying my best to see the this from your angle. Your last post made much more sense than any I've seen yet, mainly because I misunderstood. I thought we were saying that the parents that allow these things to continue are 110% without blame. I apologize for misunderstanding.
However (you couldn't wait for this could you? haha),
You almost had me on the thalidomide example. But there's one loophole in that argument. The drug company didn't have 'authority' over the user, they inadvertently misused the consumer's trust. No-one forced them to take the drug, they simply trusted the manufacturer and their prescribing Doctors. This is still very similar to the cases found in the Watchtower Abuse issues, except that the parents that keep going to the Elders for 'help' and do not receive the help they and their children need, just to take the kids back to an unsafe environment, KNOW for a fact their children are being harmed. Just like if a parent were giving a prescribed drug to their child knowing full well it was harming that child. Perhaps they have an allergic reaction that most people don't encounter. If they gave the medicine to the child once, and that child dies from it, well, they couldn't have known, they trusted their Doctor. If they gave the medicine to the child, and the child got worse, even deathly ill, but they continued to give the child this medicine in spite of an obvious problem, well then they're equally if not more responsible than the Doctor or the Pharmaceutical co.
Or even better, and I've seen this happen before. A child is deathly allergic to penicillin, and the Doc screws up and prescribes a drug that happens to contain penicillin. After the parent picks the medicine up from CVS, they realize what's in it. What do they do, trust the Doctor or give it to him anyway because the Doctor knows best? Can you imagine the Judge's ruling at that hearing?
We can probably go back and forth for days, but at least I got a better understanding of where you're coming from. I thought you guys were saying it's all the Watchtower's fault and the blame ended there. I still believe the ultimate responsibility lies in the hand of the one parent that knew better, but that in no way means I don't back this case up all the way.
Is it unfair that they are being sued for holding to similar beliefs as the mother?
I don't think this is true at all. The girls have the choice of who they hold responsible. I don't know what goes on in their home. Perhaps they have come to terms with their mother's involvement in other ways, perhaps they never held their mother responsible. I have no clue, and I can't pass judgment in their place. I can only speak of these issues in general, or if I were closer to the case, I might have stronger views in one direction or another. But I do know that we can't say with definity (word?) that these Elders knew they were doing wrong, or that they know they're not working through the Holy Spirit, we don't know these men, and even if we did, we couldn't get in their heads to find out what's ticking. Why, I once saw Jesus Christ himself preaching from atop a Diner table.....up until the cops dragged him away. If that guy can believe he's Christ, than it's conceivably possible that the Elders involved in the Berry case believed they were 'OF' Christ.
Rev
PS - I love this new 'civil' debate thing going on around here. A guy leaves for a while and comes back to everyone being nice. What happened??? :)
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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I agree that the Society should be ringed right out for all they have, maybe then they'll at least attempt to do what is right. I will concede that the society itself has a greater load to carry here because we're talking about the fact that they've harmed literally thousands upon thousands of innocent children. On the grand scale of things, the organization itself carries (or should carry) a larger burden. But I think they should carry a larger burden than the local Elders that have mishandled a case or a few cases. The local Elders are following the direction of the 'mother' organization, just as the parents themselves are. But straight down the line there's no excuse for any of the responsible parties, including the parents.
144thousand_and_one, I have to agree with just about everything you've said. I've witnesses much deceit and lies for the 'greater good', and frankly it upsets me to no end. Things don't have to be twisted or 'made up', there's enough hard evidence bouncing around to sink the Titanic. I saw something being passed around a while back, I received an email forward regarding the Louis Angiuano case.
The heading said something to the effect of:
"Again the Elders protect the guilty with confidentiality"
Then in the BODY of the same email it stated that at least one Elder testified AGAINST Louis Angiuano
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Where did the Elders protect their own with confidentiality if they testified against this guy???
I just don't get it. I feel like I'm reading the Watchtower again with all the inconsistencies and deceitful tactics. I'm not bitching, I'd just like to see these victories with honesty, it would be real nice. I didn't leave the Watchtower to swallow a whole new load of propaganda.
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Watchtower to pay for Silentlambs trip
by Dogpatch infrom silentlambs (bill bowen):.
on thursday of this week world wide work money will again be spent to protect a pedophile.
in addition it will also be spent to pay money to a disfellowshipped person in order to find a way to prevent them from assisting the court case of abuse survivors.
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^^ oops! Still haven't figured out how to use the new board ^^
I'm not all that comfortable getting into details on this case because it's not my place to condemn the mother. That's something personal between the girls and their mom. (And I wasn't there to see everything that occurred)
But I can speak in generalities:
Rev, whether they believed the lie or not is irrelevant, it does not excuse the behavior of the elders in this situation....
I agree 100%
What is at issue here and what Alan and I are trying to address, is whether because they had authority over the flock and the kind of authority that is seldom questioned and generally accepted as coming from God, that they have greater culpability in this situation.
This might be an issue if I were a JW. But I'm not, I'm a parent. And there is not one single thing on this planet or in the Heavens above that would allow my children to continue to be harmed. I would give my earthly life and my eternal life for the safety of my children, in the present, past and future, as a JW and as an ex-JW. I think the Elders have no greater responsibility than any parent If anything, I would believe they have less. The Elders are controlling an adult parent, that should have the common sense to protect their children, and the Parent is controlling an innocent child that can't help themselves. The parent can walk away from their religion, they can walk away from their Elders, but the child can't. The child has no-one to rely on except their parents, and they're being let down, by flesh and blood.
To deny this is to deny that the WTS has any control over its adherents, and that they are free to behave as they wish without the constraints of WTS dictates.
The Watchtower has control over it's adherents just as the Mormons have control of theirs and just as the Catholics theirs, and the Westchester County Country club has of theirs. You can adhere to the rules or you can get out, and there's nothing wrong with that, nor abnormal. There's plenty of other things abnormal about this particular religion without grabbing at straws, and that's exactly what we're doing with that.
This is plainly nonsense as the WTS is a high-control religion and demands on pains of punishment total obedience to its tenets, including an expected total obedience where its appointed elders are concerned.
Yes, so long as you wish to be a Jehovah's Witness, this is true. But again, we've all been taught that the Elders can sometimes be wrong, we all saw it happen time and time again, we were brainwashed to an extent, but we weren't stupid. Can you tell me that you've never seen an Elder fall in all the years you were a JW? How did they explain this?
I don't buy this whole "We were taught to obey the Elders and that they could never be wrong" because that never happened in my congregation. (but to be fair, we had like 9 Elders get the boot all at once, so we were used to seeing Elders fail)
We can only be controlled if we allow ourselves to be controlled, point blank.
This issue was dealt with in great detail at the Nuremburg trail after WWII. While the judges accepted that many of those on trial had been themselves subjected to the influence of mind-altering propaganda, this was not granted as an excuse for their excessive behavior because of the authority that was vested in them.
And what is the difference between the authority of an Elder and the authority of a parent?? While I accept that a parent may be subjected to mind altering propaganda, I do not excuse them from their negligent behavior. I've said it on more than one occasion, I think the negligence on the part of the Elders, the Watchtower Society AND the parents should be a Class 'A' Felony. If parents were held responsible for their actions (or lack thereof), then you'd see a hell of alot more JW parents running to the cops when their child is hurt. We'll sit here and condemn the parent that is still a JW for not going to the authorities for the protection of the children, but we can't if they've left the sect? Why?
Maybe it's because alot of us are simply interested in the falling of the Watchtower, so we get a kick out of the fact that people are leaving it. Frankly, I could care less if all 6 million kept right on going and donate all their money to them. What difference does it make to me? People should be free to worship the way they wish to worship, yet the organization should be accountable for their actions.
I just had a thought. What about these crazy suicide cults. Are the parents that allow, or participate in their children's death equally not responsible because they truly believed that God wanted them to kill their child? They were, after all, directed by their 'Prophet' to do just that in numerous cases around the world. At what point does a parent take responsibility for the protection of their offspring? All you have to do is read the Bible to know that the ultimate responsibility lies in the hands of the parents. Are the parents in these religions that forbid medical treatment excused for their negligence? Should they be, are they just brainwashed? What about abused women who allow their children to be abused by their husbands, in any form, physical, mental, sexually.......they may have no religion, but they've been beaten down and brainwashed by their abuser. Are they excused from protecting their child?
I think what's happening here is that no-one wants to blame the parents because they wish to place ALL the blame for ALL the world's problems on the Watchtower Society, and it simply can't all be their fault. Yes they're crazy, yes they're wrong on so many counts, yes they harm innocent people, yes they have told myriads upon myriads of false prophecies, but are they really responsible for every conceivable thing that goes wrong in our lives? Are we not responsible for our own actions even though we were brainwashed ourselves?
I blame myself for being hooked into this, I blame myself that my daughter lost 4 years of Christmas and Birthdays. I blame myself that I wasted so many years of my life. I can't blame them, they taught this crap to me and I swallowed it. Who's the stupid one?
I remember being hauled in front of the Elders for socializing with my DF'd brother. I told them that if my brother were dying I would give my eternal life to spend one more day with him, so in my eyes at the time that's just what I was willing to do, and that's just what I was doing. I can't imagine not doing the same to protect my own child from harm. So no, I don't get the excuse that one has been filled with propaganda. I think these Elders should hang out to dry, I think the Watchtower society should be hung out to dry, and I think any parent that willingly allows their child to be harmed is not without blame.
Rev