Hadn't listened to those words before! Wow! It seems they take off their masks on certains occasions and rest of the time convey a different message!
Skepsis
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WHAT TOMO III ACTUALLY SAID!!
by DATA-DOG infirst off, i am so happy that " tomo iii" is catching.
i dont know who said it first, but it's awesome.. i want to see him at a rc and say, " yo!!
tomo!!
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Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?
by Skepsis inhi folks,.
i have a difficult dilemma.
since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.
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Well, sir, I don't want still to step down as a MS since doing that immediately after stepping down as pioneer would risk relationship with my family and my possible fade in the future. Doing so would be a signal that something really apostate is happening with me.
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Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?
by Skepsis inhi folks,.
i have a difficult dilemma.
since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.
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@Xanthippe: I would like to do so but they're pressured to maintain this arrangement despite the lack of brothers. I will try but doing nothing from my part would mean doing more for them. I hope I could do it.
@Richard Olive: In my congregation that is the 'law' imposed by the BoE and in other congregations in the area it's the same. Their reasoning is that since it's a metropolitan area and carts are on big boulevards and places where a lot of people passes by, it would be dangerous to let sisters alone.
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Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂
by Gorbatchov ingorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.
just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.
the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.
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Speaking about something that supposedly happened in 1918 and still speaking about living 'in the end' seems so irrational.
Will they still speak about that in 10, 20, 50 years?
If the end does not come, the whole JW doctrinal building collapses. There's no more.
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Has WT actually drafted an End of Days tract?
by schnell ini heard in years past that there was such a tract planned for the great tribulation.
my father at the time denied this, and reasoned that that would not be a loving thing for them to do, to essentially say, "told ya so!".
last year, the bunker videos had brother brown mention "a message of judgment".. has such material been drafted or is this just another bluff?.
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Watchtower Corporation. Announcing the imminent end of this system since 1879.
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A question for those who still go to the meetings
by no-zombie inand it is ... why do most at the hall prefer to sit at the back and leave front rows empty?.
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Let's be clear. Meetings are tedious and boring even for zealous JWs. Especially since the changes made to the midweek meeting.
But I find especially boring the weekend meeting. Public meeting is redundant. There are no new ones at meetings and the themes are the same from a long time ago: 'Why don't believe in Trinity?' or 'Does hell exist?' are questions with no real significance: JWs already know the answer and visitors at the meeting (if there's someone) don't have real interest in that.
And what could we say about the Watchtower Study? Reading a paragrah and then answering word-by-word from it is so... so... stupid.
That's why meeting attendance is at 60-70% of publishers in many congregations.
So if you need to go for family reasons, it's better to sit down at the back, close to the door to waste the less posible amount of time in all that nonsense.
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Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?
by Skepsis inhi folks,.
i have a difficult dilemma.
since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.
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Hi folks,
I have a difficult dilemma. Since I'm not pioneering any more, I'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley. I want to do it little by little. At first, I told the elders to be at the cart once a month. Still don't have their response since there has to be a brother always present and there are not so many males in the congregation. Some elders are never in the cart since they work all the week and those who are on the list don't like it and don't want to increase their hours.
Once I can decrease my participation, I'd like to never be there. Don't know how to do it. Any suggestion?
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Shunning and apostacy
by biblexaminer inhey folks.
i have been looking for the latest on shunning of those who have drifted.
i recall the 2016 convention had a part, and i believe there was a video.
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Skepsis
Don't know in other areas, but here I know of a MS who was removed of all privileges because he and his wife decided to have their son at home after a divorce although he was disfellowshiped. That was all. After a year, he changed congregations and was invited to be a MS again. But he declined without giving a reason.
But I also know of brothers shunning their sons and daughters for fading. So it may depend on the fanaticism of a particular JW.
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Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!
by Skepsis ina month ago i decided to register in this board.
i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.
i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.
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Thank you for all your responses!
A quick update: I have still not been removed officially from regular pioneering. They called me a couple of times since I spoke with that elder and finally had to say to them: 'Ok, from next month I will report considerably lower hours in the ministry, you'll know what to do'.
Don't know if that's normal or they're overzealous on this. My decisition is meditated and repeated to all the elders.
I also told them I want to be in the JW cart less days. I suggested that since I'm now a publisher, I could do it once a month but still have to wait to the new arrangement on paper. They told me if I could do as until now but answered them I can't. I'm not a regular pioneer any more so not in need to spend all weekends in the carts.
I'm also planning on losing some weekend meetings to go to the countryside and other activities. I didn't go to a meeting last week and a sister told me by Facebook openly that it was not good to lose a meeting since I have so many responsibilities in the congregation and that she needed a territory and I wasn't there.
They don't have a respect for private life! Don't know how things will evolve.
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Life is changing for me: no pioneering, got a job!
by Skepsis ina month ago i decided to register in this board.
i had decided to step down pioneering but was frightened about the consequences.
i had finished my university degree some months before (despite disaproval from brothers in my congregation) and i had to choose: continue pioneering and working in jobs with no future or starting a career, working full-time.. i was thinking to postpone the decisiton but... i was fed up with preaching.
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Skepsis
Thanks for your messages! I really appreciate all the advices you are giving to me as I feel now the great responsibility of having to take my own decisitions for the first time without the 'guide and advice' of the Org.
First thing to do is to start a career. As @scratchme1010 said, I feel a bit lost in this area. Most of my colleagues at the office I'm working with have more experience and I'm quite overwhelmed by this. But, I have to recognise they're not the bad people the Org says and they're giving advice on what to do regarding my own career.
My goal is to fade. Don't know how exactly I will do having family, friends and all my life inside the WT. I'm serving in a foreign-language congregation and speaking with the elders I told them I would need to move during this year to another congregation in the area. I'm planning to move to a big local congregation in another area where I could go unnoticed. Having no relatives or personal friends there would make my fade easier or at least give me the chance to lose meetings as now it's almost impossible for me being in a congregation with less than 30 publishers. But I said, I haven't taken a final decisition yet except to focus on my own life.
My JW ex-girlfriend got in contact with me last week. We broke because I started having doubts about the Org and she was a hardliner zealous pioneer. She wanted to move where the need is greater and I understood I couldn't live a lie so the relationship had no future. She messaged me because she's deppresed and tired and thinking about stepping down as pioneer. Nevetheless, she still believes 100% in the Org. I still love her but I don't want to live a lie for the rest of my life.
I want to start a new life from scratch. The meetings are tedious and now I'm going because I feel the pressure to go. I think stepping down as pioneer has been a great step, don't know exactly what I'll do after this although meetings like the WT study of this weekend are hard to stomach.