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  Transcription of interview with Rabbi Michael Berenbaum regarding German JW's in the concentration camps

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a while ago i transcribed a video interview with rabbi michael berenbaum from the university of judaism.

  the interview concerns jehovah's witnesses during the second world war in the german concentration camp system.

  berenbaum is a historian and specifically researches jehovah's witnesses during the shoah and also the idea of martyrdom.

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  Clambake

  In WW2 the Americans would go from island to island in the pacific trying to get close enough to create an airbase to strike mainland Japan. Each one of these Islands had Japanese defenders who were outgunned and overmatched. When the American would arrive it was just a matter of time, the outcome of the battle wasn’t in doubt. Yet these Japanese soldiers would fight to the last man, not a single prisoner taken. It just made the American soldiers sick. They would end up using flamethrowers to burn them out because of the suicide bombers.

  Yet for some odd reason I have no interest in joining the imperial Japanese army. There are lots of stories of bravely or stupidity in WW2.

  I think the average JW needs to realize that JW didn’t go to the death camps, they went to work camps and the vast majority of them survived the ordeal.

  I think the real heros are the ones who stopped the Nazis, not the ones who babysat the SS childrens.
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  Do you have a JW hero?

  by Island Man in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  when i say jw hero i mean a jw who courageously did what was right despite the indoctrination and peer pressure to conform to cultishness.

  i have an unknown jw hero that i've never met but only heard of from an experience relayed to me about an incident at a jw funeral.. i was told that at a jw funeral internment, a non-jw put a wreath in the shape of a cross on the grave.

  shortly thereafter a jw elder came up and removed the wreath.

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  Clambake

  Year ago I had a JW work for me and sometimes I would ask him to unload some trucks after hours. The truck drivers would pay him cash. Usually 50 dollars for 45 mins work. Over a period of a year he would do this maybe 50-60 times. End of the year he would declare this as income and pay tax on it. I am like dude, its cash , don’t worry about it. He was like “ pay to Caesar with is Caesars “ . He was literally the most honest person I ever knew. I later found out he was inactive.

  I have seen he out later on Sunday morning in a suit. I think he was might be going to another church now. No disassociation, doesn't care.

  I knew another JW that wouldn’t allow his children to even consider becoming baptised till they were legal adults even though they wanted too. Even had words with the elders over this. Only one child out of three become a JW. I kind of had a weird respect for him.
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  INTERVIEW: with an Elder

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  elder: "i'm not sure i know what you mean by 'diversity.'.

  elder: "well, it's not quite like that.

  elder: "um.

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  Clambake

  In the first century when Jerusalem was sacked , any kind of centralized authority was destroyed yet the apostles kept on preaching. Today when you look at the church ( the entire body of Christ ) , the differences between dominations is really quite minor yet they keep preaching the same message. I think that is kind of interesting.

  Jehovah Witness on the other hand get this copy and paste crap every week that is so twisted and ever changing yet because we all teach the same thing we are the only true Christians ? Fook that. An elder bragged to me about how we do this job without getting paid and I was like “ No offence, a monkey could do your job , You don’t have to prepare a sermon or a bible study, it all laid out of for, even the answers in the bible study“. He wasn’t impressed.

  Point B. Where the hell does it say in the bible that seven magical men telling us what to do was god’s plan for humanity ? Where is this arrangement ?
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  How to Block an Interrogation by J.W's

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "don't you believe that this is god's spirit-directed organization?".

  "do you believe that god is teaching us through the faithful & discreet slave?

  "who else has the truth?

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  Clambake

  I have often wondered if gods plan for humanity was to give us seven magical men in New York it would be a teaching clearly defined in the bible. Outside of the parable of the faithful and wise servant which is a parable, what evidence in the bible this being gods final plan for humanity.
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  They dared !

  by coalize in

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  2. beliefs

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  i can't believe they had the cheek to come out with that explanation.. it's no more "new light" it's "new scam"!!

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  Clambake

  Whenever a JW pulls the pacifist card I also love to point out the story of Jehovah God giving the land of Canaan to the Jews and there were people sacrificing their children to Baal and Molach. What did god command they do?

  So when Hitler was putting into people into ovens what do you think Jehovah God really wanted from us?

  Don’t worry, someone else will always do the heavy lifting.

  I have never really got an answer for that one.
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  Do you ever feel strangely drawn towards Conspiracy Theories?

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after mentally awakening to the idea that jws don't have the truth i strangely found myself delving into all encompassing conspiracy theories.

  not that i believed them but something about them seemed quite fascinating.

  i was especially drawn to the idea of a new world order/one world government.

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  Clambake

  The WTS is basically a conspiracy theory making a person question the whole legimately of the bible with the production of the new world translation.

  Instead of knowing let’s say what the book of Romans is all about a JW will isolate an indefinite article , quote something out of context, connect it to something to doesn’t matter and make a whole new doctrine.

  It often to me seems like they are working to disprove the bible.
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  Why is the Governing Body pushing the very young(5-12 year old) into getting baptized into subservience to the Corporation?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i think a very simple reason may be because the very young are pretty much the only ones naive enough to take the plunge these days.

  with the internet available to inform people about the deceptive lies printed by the wt corporation it seems that they are getting their member from the less informed population like the elderly and the very young.

  they/gb hate higher education because they loose members who get one and so they are focusing on those that are dumb enough to believe their boogie man bull shit about jehovah choosing their corporation and anybody not a part of it he will destroyed at armageddon.. also we need to consider that they view these young people as a potential free labor source so the sooner you get them hooked into baptism with the threat of disfellowshipping you can get more free labor out of them..

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  Clambake

  I know an elder in my wives cong and I think it is a pretty stand-up guy. He doesn’t believe in the whole childhood baptism thing. The interesting part is he has four children and only one become a Jehovah witness.

  I was told in the 80s and 90s when Jehovah witness growth was much great there was sort of a movement to discourage childhood baptism because of stories of ruined families and such by suckering kids into something they don’t understand at such a young age.

  I guess they are learning if they don’t get them young now they just don’t get them at all.
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  How are the JW's reacting to the new USA gay marriage laws?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  personally i think this is wonderful.

  i have nothing against gay people and wish them only the best.. but of course i'm in a minority of one, the jw's around me are posting away on fb the most homophobic vitriol imaginable.

  a lot of them are even saying that it's the start to armageddon!!.

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  Clambake

  Nicky

  No man would ever apply for common law status.

  That is the reason we have common law status.
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  How are the JW's reacting to the new USA gay marriage laws?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  personally i think this is wonderful.

  i have nothing against gay people and wish them only the best.. but of course i'm in a minority of one, the jw's around me are posting away on fb the most homophobic vitriol imaginable.

  a lot of them are even saying that it's the start to armageddon!!.

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  Clambake

  I heard this story on CBC radio about these two spinster sister that lived together for like 80 years , basically their entire lives. Like of like Patty and Selma from the Simpsons.

  They both worked at the same job for like 50 years but at different companies. Very loyal employees.

  Then the one sister dies. The surviving sister tries to collect widows benefits from the insurance company. The claim is rejected and of course it should be.

  She later takes it to court and wants the definition of same sex union changed. Of course it doesn’t work but the entire story was just heart breaking. Her relationship with her sister had much more substance in terms of economics and emotions than two dudes having anal sex for 6 months.

  Now where does it stop ?

  I stay just leave it at a union of a man and women.
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  How the new US gay marriage ruling could cause trouble for the WTS

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here are a couple of ways that come to mind:.

  -- suppose a married gay couple, or even one of the partners, starts studying the bible with jws and decides he wants to baptized?

  would the jws require him to get a divorce?

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  Clambake

  Being an UBM the WTS has a get out of jail card for the likes of me. It’s that whole “ Spiritual threatening “ crap and they won’t bat an eye about granting my wife a divorce without getting disfellowed. Hell, they would even encourage it if she went to the elders with any martial problems.

  Hell I think they would be setting her up even before the ink was dry.

  Being gay poses no challenges for the WTS. Homosexual unions are not recognized and you would be booted out.