Posts by Driveby

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

Creationism 101

Where did the concept of creationism originate?

With Abrahamic religions, it was written in their ancient Hebrew manuscripts.

What evidence did the ancient Israelites have to support their assertion?

None.

Why do folks still believe what was written in those ancient manuscripts?

Because they believe some supernatural being said it was so.

What evidence do we have today that proves creationism?

None.

Faith is what drives the belief in creationism. Creationism was not founded upon evidence, and still cannot be supported with modern scientific knowledge.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

But, when Evolution is proven to be fantasy one day (as it surely shall) what will then be thine refrain?

For a staunch creationist to admit that evolution cannot be proven false at this point in time is a good starting point. That's a little higher up the ladder than those who believe that scientists are evil and controlled by Satan who is using the theory of evolution to destroy Christianity. Or, is that what you do believe?

Creationism is a religion. If you continue to strongly believe in that religion, NOTHING will ever change your mind! All you're doing is proselytizing junk creationism. You've resorted to attacking something you know nothing about by calling it a fantasy because it is impossible to defend your myth.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

BTW You think I am a christian or creationist or something?? Believe it or not, it is possible to write things Cofty don't like without being a christian!

Of course you can be anything to write nonsense.

They did something similar with Einsteins theory recently but I can't remember the details. You see what I mean?

No.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

Darwinism doesn't exist. – cofty

But sure you know better than wikipedia lol - hothabanero

Wikipedia says:

In the 2008 documentary film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, which promotes intelligent design (ID), American writer and actor Ben Stein refers to scientists as Darwinists. Reviewing the film for Scientific American, John Rennie says "The term is a curious throwback, because in modern biology almost no one relies solely on Darwin's original ideas... Yet the choice of terminology isn't random: Ben Stein wants you to stop thinking of evolution as an actual science supported by verifiable facts and logical arguments and to start thinking of it as a dogmatic, atheistic ideology akin to Marxism

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

How exactly does a solid tooth become hollow? I asked an atheist recently how he explained this.

Do you actually believe that all atheists believe in evolution? Do you actually believe that all atheists are knowledgeable enough about evolution to answer a question about how a hollow fang evolved in a snake? Quoting someone who is not an expert and then attacking that statement is being dishonest.

This reminds me of the “Creation” book that the JWs put out years ago. In that book, they quoted an “evolutionist.” Readers were led to assume the “evolutionist” was an evolutionary scientist, but Francis Hitching was not ‘any’ kind of scientist. Richard Dawkins who ‘is’ an evolutionary biologist wrote about Hitching’s book, “The Neck of the Giraffe:” It "is one of the silliest and most ignorant I have read for years." And this book is widely quoted by creationists.

There are many complex life forms, but to look at them without studying them and then come to the conclusion that they had a designer and maker is being intellectually lazy.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

I have got a Christadelphian booklet that disproves evolution. It's very interesting, including a section on the black mamba!

Could it be this one?

http://www.thechristadelphian.com/creation_or_evolution_ebook.htm

Here is a critique on that booklet:

http://www.ex-christadelphians.com/2013/11/review-creation-or-evolution-by-john.html

Here is a critique on a lecture given by the author of that booklet:

http://bcseweb.blogspot.com.au/2009/12/creation-watch-report-from-redditch.html

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

Many would reply that we're surrounded by Credible Evidence in virtually all directions,

Let them supply it so it can be critically reviewed by their peers. Oh wait. You mean someone walking in a park admiring a bumble bee and hence concluding that someone had to have designed and made that little feller.

yet not all are able to see it.

See what? Evidence of evolution? Those who stick to the dogma of ancient mythical beliefs will never see anything beyond those beliefs. If your belief is based on faith then you'll have to reject all evidence that does not support your belief. Not to worry. You have the majority of mankind behind you. If it was as simple as putting it to a vote, the theory of evolution would lose by a landslide.

It may be that there is an intense underlying belief (or fear) which renders them unable to see.

Which happens in churches everywhere.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Driveby

My recollection of the JW literature regarding creationism is how amazing the earth was made just right for us. God made just the right amount of heat from the sun, just the right amount of oxygen for us to breathe, animals and plants for us to eat, etc.

Actually, the opposite is true: Simply put, the earth and everything upon it made us. We are the product of billions of years of evolution. Overwhelming evidence supports this. Some folks criticize what know nothing about. That's what the Governing Body does and that's what we left behind.

Trying to reason that there must be a designer, maker or agent is just an effort to make some sense of it all, but there is no credible evidence to support such beliefs.

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Introduce myself

by dantoole87 in

i'd like share why i went from being a teenager determined to work in full time service for jehovah my entire life, to now being on here commiserating with you all.

i use to be an atheist but i now believe in god.

but i'm not preachy about god.

Driveby

IMHO, I think it says something when atheists are just as intent in disproving a god just the same as when a theist is so intent on proving their god.

You still have your JW hat on. I'm not criticizing you. We all went through it when we left the org but I'm ten years ahead of you. If believing brings you comfort, then by all means do so.

When I discovered that I had been duped, I felt ashamed and angry at the same time. It will take a very long time for you to recover; some never do. Just remember... direct your anger to those who deserve it and don't apologize.