Posts by TheWonderofYou

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

TheWonderofYou

FusionTheism: No wheat at all for 1900 or 1800 years would not fit to the parable, because wheat grows allways togehter with weed, so if weed grows alone that would be a misuse of the parable.
But the parable cant be used as timeline measure.

The begin of the parable "with the coming of the kingdom of heavens is similar to"...does not offer a timeline of happenings within the history. This expression was used by jewish rabbis and scribes in the 1st century often to tell aboout right behaviour and insight into the faith at the present time, that not a prophesy about what happens later. "It is like in this story..." In Mark 4,26-29 too the author of the gospel does not tell something about the ongoing growth of the church, of a process in history, because the farmer is mentioned only in the beginning and in the end. In the meantime the farmer can do nothing, only sleep and wait and get up in the morning. Automatical completley without the farmer the harvest ist done, a harvest that is described by Joel in 4,13, as Gods impact, than Gods time is here. So in the parables of sowing and harvesting and likewise of the growing wheat the process of growing is not important. #

It simple tells of the the wondeful intervention of God, who lets grow the semen after it is led into the ground, of the wonder that through gods intervention the fruit grows and new life rises. No man could hinder God or speed up this. With the kingdom of God is is likewise.. we can trust to that Gods sets begin and end of the harvest.
Not a churchhistory of growing, building activities, growing number of church-buildings, or human activities like projects e.g. is described, but the contrast between sowing and harvesting as a divine wonder. That was typical jewish thinking of that time period, that the sowing and harvesting are a divine wonder.

Likewises we can trust in the Kingdom of God is a divine wonder. "Its like in this story..." Nothing more can be read out of the parable. As already mentioned the wheat and weed parable likewise teaches that we can trust in the wonder that God will somehow protect the wheat among the weed.

My verdict is that the wonder of the wheat among the weed is a reference to Gods intervention, but no reference to an intervention of the faithful servant or the anointed in the harvesting, that they should burn the weed.

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

TheWonderofYou

The parabel does not say that the anointed or the faithfull servant class are appointed by Jesus to be harvesters. Its not their job at all. They shall wait as Jesus waits and has patience. Time for patience not harvest.

"Faithful servant" and "Weed among Wheat" are parables no prophesies.

Fusion: To What prophesy do you mean should it fit?

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

TheWonderofYou

Referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 CE - 1900 CE are discussed, and the parabel of the weed AMONG the wheat, I found out that it is not necessary at all that a "Slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting. The Slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for Jesus judgement.
Basis:

tim310rd wrote: This goes along with the 2013 WT that changed the definition of the FDSL. There would be a period where the anointed were not discernible because the "enemy" was sowing weeds and they were allowed to grow together with the wheat.
WT 7/15/2013:: 4 Speaking about the wheat and the weeds, Jesus said: “Let both grow together until the harvest.” This command reveals that from the first century until today, there have always been some anointed wheatlike Christians on earth. That conclusion is confirmed by what Jesus later told his disciples: “I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matt. 28:20) So anointed Christians would be protected by Jesus all the days leading up to the time of the end. However, since they were overgrown by weedlike Christians, we do not know for certain who belonged to the wheat class during that long period of time. However, some decades before the start of the harvest season, the wheat class became discernible. How did that come about?

Did you discover the how the WT misuses Jesus parable?

Read Matthew 13,24-30.36-43 The allegory is called "The Weed AMONG THE Wheat. Yes the parable says let both grow.... but ...now the point: Jesus did not say that the Weed would ever overgrow the weat. That invention of the WT "overgrown by weedlike christians" are not Jesus thoughts. Thus JW give the impression that at a special time (perhaps 1900) the wheatlike would liberate themselves from the weedlikes and so the anonted ones would be cognizable or discernable as Wheat class to all mankind.
Verdict:
Jesus spoke of a phenomen of agriculture, there is wheat and there is weed. The same thing we should await in the church. Nothing more to interprete. For Jesus it was something totally normal that in the church would be the same phenomen. There would be wheat and weed, thats an allegory.
Jesus does not teach us here that we shall gather the wheat, that:

it is our job to inihilate the weed,
to separate us from the weed
to excommuncate the weed,
to make a new clean wheat church without weed
to fight against the evil ones and to destroy the weed already now with root and branch,
to scrunch the people, wound the existences, blow off the hope by shunning and excommunicating the weed
to be devotional radicalists
to have holy eagerness
to fight against the WT
to print sectiarian charlatan proganda against the church
to establish clear circumstances here and now.

Really? At least in this parable I cant find something like that only patience. But I would like to burn down the weed.toooooooo.....Why does he allow us to fail? Why the failure in the church...the failure of Governing body?

Yes thats the sencse of the parable, but are we not ourselves a little bit wheat and a little bit weed sometimes? Cant we wait for Jesus?
Cant we hear his call to be merciful anymore, he wants to heal and to save not burn down the weed, he shows us ony our heart,
If we would be in the regime we would burn down the weed, but not so Jesus. We live of his patience. The church is a manifold phenomon, but jesus bears up with that circumstances, have condience in Jesus.
P.S. Some thoughts are from a book about the parables that I read , and it serves well to destroy the JW misunderstanding with root and brunch ....ohh sorry, to have patience. with them.;-)

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The Bible is NOT Error-Free

by FusionTheism in

for many christians, the bible is viewed as the 100% error-free, perfect book straight from god, where every single word was carefully chosen by god for a reason.

but, usually, when you have a discussion on the topic, these christians will end up saying that only the original copies written directly from the hands of the prophets and apostles were error-free, and all manuscript copies since then are subject to copyist mistakes and other errors.. since zero original copies are in existence, how do we know the originals were error-free?

why should we think the originals should be error-free to begin with?

TheWonderofYou

What church? - punkofnice

Its a Book of the church for church service.

Jesus already founded a church, a church to remain.

Not the scrolls and parchment were so important but the church was most important.

You can conclude that the Christian faith should not be a faith of single book readers that are fighting over the right interpretation of there parchment scrolls and papyri, but a faith of merciful people having a communion together, for Jesus wanted a church because he wanted to live in it, as if the church were his second life,

That is the meaning of the church and the Lord supper communion, what he lived through, his death and resurrection, acceptance and prosectution, would his brothers live throught togehter with him later in the church. Therefore the church is the body of christ, closely connected with christ. Therefore they should partake from the symbols. Therefore if you partake in the lords supper you not only remember jesus christ, but you eat him. Your complete body is in unity with jesus christ in one body.Therefore the importance of the symbols bread an wine. Therefore he ensured to Peter that the church would never go to vain.

The center of the faith is the Truth = jesus Christ

Not a bible college, not a Bible discussion, not the moral code, the center is a person jesus christ

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Prayer

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

dear lord jesus,.

let me be a friendthat when i need a friend somewheni will be not alone.. jesus, my saviour, my truth, my life,be my friend if i dont understand your wordand sometimes am confused.

be my friend in the stormy time,let me trust and believe in your mercy.dont let me judge about wheat and weedbut trust in your heart.

TheWonderofYou

Good morning Americans.

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Prayer

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

dear lord jesus,.

let me be a friendthat when i need a friend somewheni will be not alone.. jesus, my saviour, my truth, my life,be my friend if i dont understand your wordand sometimes am confused.

be my friend in the stormy time,let me trust and believe in your mercy.dont let me judge about wheat and weedbut trust in your heart.

TheWonderofYou

Im a little bit too busy, today am I not? Why is it not possible to delete a thread afterwards?

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Prayer

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

dear lord jesus,.

let me be a friendthat when i need a friend somewheni will be not alone.. jesus, my saviour, my truth, my life,be my friend if i dont understand your wordand sometimes am confused.

be my friend in the stormy time,let me trust and believe in your mercy.dont let me judge about wheat and weedbut trust in your heart.

TheWonderofYou

Punkofnice:Thanks. Wrote you mail.

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Prayer

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

dear lord jesus,.

let me be a friendthat when i need a friend somewheni will be not alone.. jesus, my saviour, my truth, my life,be my friend if i dont understand your wordand sometimes am confused.

be my friend in the stormy time,let me trust and believe in your mercy.dont let me judge about wheat and weedbut trust in your heart.

TheWonderofYou

galaxie: The mercy in the prayer reflects my understanding of biblical mercy,

the mercy of a loving mother and father.

The Jehovahs witnesses have judged and are judgeing other religions without mercy, not

waiting for Jesus jugdment, they call the other christians, spiritual fornicators, whore babylon,

In the field service I have condemned the catolic church, i had no mercy, I separeted wheat form weed.

I did not wait for Jesus, the merciful judge

That is the reason way I am praying for mercy, and I pray that the I do not blame someone or harm someone, more than Jesus would have done

Let us trust that God uses us, everybody of us, but that God lately will win and lead us to blessings.

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Jehovah's witnesses owe much to the catolic church

by TheWonderofYou in

jehovahs witness owe the bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and jehovahs witnesses owe the name jehovah a catolic monk.

jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.. otherwise after leaving the jw i got a much better understanding of christianity and the cc..

TheWonderofYou

Jehovahs witness owe the Bible to the catolic church,the church was the authority that put the bible together, and Jehovahs witnesses owe the name Jehovah a catolic monk. Jehovash witnesses owe the catolic church the sowing of the field where they are now preaching.

Otherwise after leaving the JW I got a much better understanding of christianity and the CC.

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Reasoning on the New "1900 Years" JW Theology (from David Splane)

by FusionTheism in

inspired by the three recent threads on david splane's new video declaring, among other things, that there was no faithful slave for 1900 years, and there may not have even been any genuine anointed ones during those years, i decided to make this post.. here are the three previous threads on this topic:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/337200001/david-splane-address-bethelites.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/323160001/new-david-splane-video-no-1900-year-faithful-slave.

TheWonderofYou

Referring to

David Splane:before 1900 there is no entity "Federal and discrete slave -[class]" cognizable
Fusiontheism and WT 7/15/2013: Anointed christians were protected by Jesus at anytime.
The anointed are the body of christ, have heaenvly hope since 33 until 1900.

Note: Before 1900 you could be anointed and could have heavenly hope without knowing or specualtion about the federal and discret slave class. The anointed were protected by Jesus.

Why after 1900 a governing body representing the federal slave was suddenly thought of by the watchtowergremiums?