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  Born to Be Conned - The New York Times

  by paul from cleveland in

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  born to be conned - new york times.

  when people want to believe what they want to believe, david sullivan, a professional cult infiltrator, told the commonwealth club of california, a public affairs forum, in july 2010, they are very hard to dissuade.

  and the reason it happens (and often happens to the most intelligent people) is that human nature is wired toward creating meaning out of meaninglessness..

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  Like this passage:

  That’s the power of the good con artist: the ability to identify your deepest need and exploit it. It’s not about honesty or greed; we are all suckers for belief. In Ms. Lloyd’s case, money was indeed a factor. But it need not be.
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  Peace and security

  by The freewheeling in

  1. watchtower
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  i wold love to see all the worlds leader proclaim "peace and security" soon, loud and clear.

  that wold make all jws go totaly nuts.

  they would all run around and yell "now it's coming, now it's coming!".

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  Funny comparison: Nineteen Eighty Four / 1984

  1984 : George Orwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

  "in the Ministry of Truth, where photographs are modified and public archives rewritten to rid them of "unpersons" (i.e., persons who have been arrested, whom the Party has decided to erase from history)

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  1984: JW False predicitons:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

  Are the old Watchtowers yet available or anyhow relevant, are the Wt not rewritten too?

  • 1984: There were "many indications" that "the end" was closer than the end of the 20th century.[48]
    
    (according to Watchtower March, 1984
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  Peace and security

  by The freewheeling in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i wold love to see all the worlds leader proclaim "peace and security" soon, loud and clear.

  that wold make all jws go totaly nuts.

  they would all run around and yell "now it's coming, now it's coming!".

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  NEW YORK/VIENNA

  How about that: Yesterday, the 5 permanent members of United Nation Security Council

  USA , Russia, China, France, Great Britan,

  approved a draft for a UN-resolution about Syria beginning with January 2016.

  After the talks in VIENNA in November with 17 nations now the basis for the resolution under internation law was established by the UN Security council at NEW YORK yesterday.

  The road-map was already discussed in Vienna, where the Iran- Nuclear Treaty was established as well,

  First provisional governement in Syria than within 2 years elections.

  Nations are struggling for Peace!

  http://www.rferl.org/content/un-syria-draft-resolution/27436373.html

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  Did you read War and Peace by Leo Tolstoj? In the novel the time between 1805 -1812 is described.
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  Plans for huge Jehovah's HQ take shape

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.

  its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.

  it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.

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  Somebody should check the land charge register of the county and would know how much hectars they really bought, instead of rumours.
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  I'd report THAT to the police, but not THIS...

  by Northern Star in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am new to the boards, so a little background info may be a good idea?

  also, i'm not quite sure which sub-forum to post this to....

  i have a typical religious background for my country; grew up with lutheran christianity (which was our state religion up until 2012; we now have a secular constitution).

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  Makes the impression they only wanna be responsible for "spiritual councel" for the murder or rapist, investigation of the conscience (only pastoral care and nothing more)

  Every other civil duty like reporting to police is irritating them and they avoid it if possible (to protect the good name), they see the civil duty to report a crime as private duty of the victim or the worldly part (not-JW witnesses) who is aware. They only report as organisation to police something if it is mandatory and therefore not avoidable in a state. Thats the impression and i think so its done. Elders are officers of With the rapist database they only protect themselves but not the outsiders of a possible agitator. Some of the rapists are brutal and dangerous not all of course. But the silence is not good.

  From the pastoral care they would like to pick out only the best part - the official discretion, as if pastoral care would not mean reporting.
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  I'd report THAT to the police, but not THIS...

  by Northern Star in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am new to the boards, so a little background info may be a good idea?

  also, i'm not quite sure which sub-forum to post this to....

  i have a typical religious background for my country; grew up with lutheran christianity (which was our state religion up until 2012; we now have a secular constitution).

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  Could be, they may have been spoken with you about a fictive case where even the murder or raper would have been given a chance to repent in a group internal so called " judicial committee " before they report the incident to police at all or they may have thought of a case were it turns out that a person was a murder in the past and what would be done then. Lately the law office decides. It seems that cases are handled with big mery within the group sometimes, everything according to the "Sheperd the Flock" Book, where all cases and instructions are written down.

  That even if 2 witnesses saw the accident it would not be reported instandly to police, shows how mislead the group members are. JW have permanent fear to do something false, even in case of witnessing crime, rape. There is a complete fear to go to the police before asking the elders, ignorance ("perhaps reporting to police is something that jehovahs displeases, then better no") what means civil courage and what are elders duties. The only thing they shall obey is that everything has to be asked the elders and reported only to the elders, who than may report to the JW-attorneys. The elders are acting according to their instruction from the law office, a private entanglement or engagment is avoided.

  The JW system is self-interested and self-concentrated, the own group security is in first place, even in such cases. they protect themselves but not possible future victims in the civil society. (This is solely my private impression). Once a elder told me that in case of a thief he has reported personally to the police but that was long ago.
  
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  HAPPILY (NEVER) AFTER --a Story from my childhood

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  happily never after.

  (remembrance from my childhood).

  hers was a primal scream, cutting me with an icy blade of accusation..

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  um just reading and having a coffee now. Lets see what is in it while the ball of dirt hangs in the mid of nothing.

  Of course we have our differences, you shouldn't be surprised.

  It's as natural as changes in the seasons and the skies.

  Sometimes we grow together, sometimes we drift apart,

  a wiser man than I might know the seasons of the heart.

  Seasons of the Heart,
  John Denver
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  Transfer of Bank Balances and Kingdom Halls.

  by kramer in

  1. jw
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  two things related to ongoing comments regarding forgiving of loans / transfer of balances to the wtbs and the ownership of kingdom halls.

  firstly, i would argue that congregations don't care that bank balances have been transferred to the society.

  i would contend that people contribute to the preaching work, and that's it , so long as there is enough in the bank to maintain the hall with a reasonable reserve, then i doubt many would argue against it.

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  TheWonderofYou

  Some charities are consciously embracing the social enterprise model. Social enterprises are organizations that apply commercial strategies to maximize improvements in human and environmental well-being . This may include maximizing social impact rather than profits for external shareholders. Social enterprises can be organised as for-profit and non-profit organisations and apply economical standards and performance standards. Many are not and others are still in the dark about what social enterprise is. Trading to generate income is not for every charity and even though it can make an organisation more sustainable and help it grow, becoming a social enterprise is a gradual process with lots to consider. ... [other terms are social enterpreneurship, social economy].

  What’s the same?

  - Charities and social enterprises both exist to fulfil a social mission.

  - Charities and social enterprises both reinvest the majority of their profits (charities often describe these as surpluses) in doing social good.

  What’s different?

  -Charities traditionally aim to fund their social mission through grants and donations.

  - Social enterprises aim to fund their social mission through trading activities - selling products and services to customers.

  1 .The social mission of the charity requires obviously acting economically. Consequently only the charity management = custodian trustee should decide alone over all freehold and leasehold of the charity to act according to the social benefit of JW-church.

  All donations are not destinated for private local social derived activity but for the charity organised work alone therefore : forget your money, leave it your trustee!

  2. Trust in the trustee's economical expertise, who solicitousy handles all properties and capitals of places for worship of the charity. This economic activity includes investing of your donated capital in funds with the most attainable profit on capital market. The trustee can make grants or loans and give guarantees, deposit or invest funds to make investment diversification with this in view: profit and suitabiltiy to your benefit. They do it since hundred years. Please dont mistrust them. Your money is in good faitfhul slave capitalist hand now!

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  Ad-venture Capitalist is a good PC-game.

  AdVenture Capitalist is a "classic"-style Idle Game, starting with some clicking and quickly advancing to mostly just checking in every once in a while to buy more things. It has a few interesting twists that make it unique:
  Angel Investors that permanently boost your profits, but can only be claimed by "resetting" your game, losing everything (except your Investors!) and rebuilding much faster than before; a focus on really, stupendously huge numbers (trillions of dollars? Hah! The goal of the game is to get the most amount of money possible.

  Welcome, brave young investor, to AdVenture Capitalist! The world’s top capitalism simulator!
  

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  Transfer of Bank Balances and Kingdom Halls.

  by kramer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  two things related to ongoing comments regarding forgiving of loans / transfer of balances to the wtbs and the ownership of kingdom halls.

  firstly, i would argue that congregations don't care that bank balances have been transferred to the society.

  i would contend that people contribute to the preaching work, and that's it , so long as there is enough in the bank to maintain the hall with a reasonable reserve, then i doubt many would argue against it.

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  compare KH with this meal-hall:

  the franchisee pays a monthly fee to put the "M" on the roof and to the serve food produced by the
  governing franchisor. Franchisors are able to sell franchises and expand rapidly across countries and continents using the capital and resources of their franchisees while reducing their own risk. similar. If the fee would be called montly donation, you would not find a difference.

  
  
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  The new Star Wars movie reminds me of TTAT

  by Barrold Bonds in

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  not really.

  i just wanted to post this because it's funny.. .

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  Every movie remindes of TTAT because some truth is just to find in everything and where.