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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

TheWonderofYou

Synoptic

http://www.hypotyposeis.org/synoptic-problem/2004/10/external-evidence-papias.html

From which, it appears from his own catalog of names that there is one John who is placed among the apostles and another elder John whom he listed after Aristion. We say this, however, on account of the above opinion, that, insofar as we report a tradition from very many, the two latter epistles of John are not of the apostle but of the presbyter. He is said to have perpetuated a Jewish tradition of the thousand years, which Irenaeus and Apollinaris etc. follow, who say that the Lord will reign in the flesh with the saints after the resurrection. Tertullian also in the book On the Hope of the Faithful and Victorinus of Pettau and Lactantius are said to be of this opinion.

Dont build your house on limescale but on the Lord.

Its the temple of Apollon.

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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

TheWonderofYou

A large city indeed. Paved mainroads. Papias was bishop of this city.

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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

When Papis was bishop the city was rebuilt after an earhquake 60 A.D. and was a hot spot to live in. There were many thermal spa, wells and nympheums, theaters and temples and manifold sarkophages and graves in the vicinity. Buildings that survived even the wars between seldjuk turcs and christian byzantanians and were only destroyed by a second earthquake in 1334.

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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

TheWonderofYou

I think that there is no need to believe that the church intentively destroyed Papias 5 books because something "secret" or "dangerous" for the church was in it. Even Eusebius’ Church history is not completely preserved up to now.

Papias was a very well known and widely respected bishop of the Asia minor of the province Phrygia. Eusebius speaks of Papias as a man most learned in all things, and well acquainted with the Scriptures. In another passage he describes him as of small capacity critizing him for taking all symbols or images in the narratives literally. He was a hearer of John and friend of the bishop Polycarp . Telling or believed in the ciliastic narratives or literal interpretations of 1000 year millenium (or perhaps also literal 144000) was never called by the church a heresy. It at were sureyl common notions in this early church in the region, e.g. the rabbinic idea was that after this age a messiance age would follow here on earth.

But that alone, believing in ciliastic kingdom was no reason to destroy his books or to excommunicate him. The church did never call the faith in the 1000 year millenium a heresy. Perhaps it was thought that the literal interpretaion was gullible but...

Even the catolic church today believes in the ultimatively fulfillment of a "Kingdom of God" on this earth not alone in the afterworld.

Quite the contrary is the case, each word of him that remained is treated as worthful treasure. His comments were cited by Eusebius and others and so they remained. Testimonals about the authenticy of Gospels of Marc or Matthew etc.

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Papis did not interview all the apostels as may be the impression by the title of this OP, but was a hearer of John only. The other informations he received from presbyters John and another and many stories abouth the apostels he learned from two daugthers of the apostel Philippus, which lived advanced in years in his city "Hierapolis". Paul had founded the church of Hierapolis. (Eusebius History Ecclesia III. 39.9). The two daughters were called "prophets".

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Hierapolis "holy city" in Phrygia was known for the warm spings, which after evaportation left beauftifl landscape, terraces of limescale. Water served for dyeing of wool. Because of weaving and dye mills and textil trade the city was rich.

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DESTROYING the Governing Body’s claim of authority

by TerryWalstrom in

destroying the governing body’s claim of authority.

begin at the beginning.

what source authority did early christians have?.

TheWonderofYou

What happened with the teaching that in 1919 a new nation was born?
In Cedar point, September 1919 a talk was given about "A new nation is born", by John E. Barr i think.
Further the "golden age" magazin released.

Later 1925 in Watchtower appeard the below cited article abouth the new nation, the 40 years of harvest
had ended 1918.

So in 1919 after Rutherford's and co left the US-jail they became the new nation and accumulated

all power quasi like appointed over the household.

"The nations spent their anger on each other in the great war and until they were exhausted. Following 1918 the devil's organization, financial, political and ecclesiastical, particularly the latter, openly repudiated the Lord and his kingdom; and then and there the wrath of God against the nations began to be expressed. Prom that time forward the battle has gone on in the earth. Prior to that the battle was fought in heaven.

In 1918 and 1919 Zion suffered still more, and
there may yet still be more sufferings to endure.
"Mark how the facts fit the prophecy : "Before she
travailed, she brought forth ; before her pain came, she
was delivered of a man chOd. Who hath heard such a
thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth
be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation
be horn at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she
brought forth her children." (Isaiah 66:7,8) Be it
noted here that from 1874 until 1918 there was little,
if any, persecution of those of Zion ; that beginning with
the Jewish year 1918, to wit, the latter part of 1917
our time, the great suffering came upon the anointed
ones, Zion, Prior to 1914 she was in pain to be
delivered, greatly desiring the kingdom; but the real
travail came later. This is the first great wonder ap-
pearing in heaven,

'Voices symbolize proclamations of truth. Let the
anointed bear witness as to whether or not there hnva
been great truths come to light, and a wider proclama-
tion of truth throughout the earth since 1919 than at
any time previous. The reader is referred to the an-
nual reports of the Society published for 192:S and
1924; and this proclamation of the truth has caused
much thunderings of the enemy. There have been dis-
turbances amongst them; and there has been a great
hail storm falling upon them in the nature of proclamations, indictments etc.

All from Watchtower 1925.

https://archive.org/stream/BirthOfTheNationFromMarch11925Watchtower/1925_March_1_Watchtower_Birth_of_the_Nation_djvu.txt

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Dead Sea Scrolls

by TheWonderofYou in

jw
friends

pin sharp pictures of the dead sea scrolls.

http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/home.

TheWonderofYou

Pin sharp pictures of the dead sea scrolls

http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/home

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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

TheWonderofYou

This is link to the fragments of his writings, in english by Paul Schaff

http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/04z/z_0070-0130__Papia_Hierapolitanus__Fragmenta_[Schaff]__EN.pdf.html

http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/04z/z_0070-0130__Papia_Hierapolitanus__Fragmenta_[Schaff]__EN.pdf.htm

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DESTROYING the Governing Body’s claim of authority

by TerryWalstrom in

destroying the governing body’s claim of authority.

begin at the beginning.

what source authority did early christians have?.

TheWonderofYou

The Russel photo awaiting rapture on Olive tree in Jerusalem was taken on 24.april 1910 in palestine not on 1. Oct. 1914 (end of genitle times) Why they awaited the rapture to take place before 1914? And why would the rapture take place before the 1914 kingdom rule began? This is because of his belief in the pyramid calculations. Sorry if I am confusing someone perhaps we should better read the official explanations about the changes in the watchtower archives.

http://ctr-rlbible.com/?p=3133