Posts by TheWonderofYou

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EXISTENTIAL topic: Why is Paradise or Heaven the solution to anything?

by TerryWalstrom in

gather around the campfire, boys and girls.. i have a little journey for us all to take together.. long, long ago in this universe not so far away .

.we were told a story.______________once in timeless nothingness, there existed a timeless being we now call god.whatever "perfection" is or was--god was.

god was perfect.. but wait--that's not all!and here is where the story begins!.

TheWonderofYou

Dear Terry, what a fortuity. I am exactly now reading about the contentment in a book written by Dalai Lama himself. For the moment I am so surprised abouth this happening that I am quite breathless. So I hope to be ably to contribute to your campfire in this evening under the stars some thoughts about a happy God in "heaven".

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"New light" on who will put the “mark” during the “great tribulation” (Wt june 2016)

by redpilltwice in

three days ago, we could read about a great new book on wt doctrinal changes here: .

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6217992945795072/ever-changing-teachings-jehovahs-witnesses-probably-most-comprehensive-compendium-about-watchtower-doctrinal-changes.

this book is not the only one in its kind, but it truly kicks ass!

TheWonderofYou

Now it is 102 years that we live in the kingdom. (Hooray!) Imagine how it will be if we looked back after 1000 years or millions years, as Bro. HERD encourages under this earthly kingdom. We would not recognize the "trooth" anymore as "truuth" after so much time! Instruction by implanted tools and cyber-virtual meetings with GB-indoctrinators.

Hence "Keeping pace" is a really necessary and a good means to investigate your "doctrinal strength or weakness" in times of tribulation and in the face of growing mistrust in the Governing Body, "Jehovah-orientation and Jehovah-mindedness" are always a positive potential, with the aim to focus on any CHANGE that could abruptly appear.

Jesus will be easily able to mark his friends nonetheless. In any case its better that Jesus does the MARKING than ANY elder in the congregation, think only of the fact how many of us have suffered through their marking-acts.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

TheWonderofYou

Hi, I believe in that that Jesus wanted to tell people something, what it was exactly is hard to explain, because we will in other times. But I believe that Jesus wanted a church and that he would accept all of us the doubters, skepctics, querists..... this was his mission to let the love shine like a bonfire. For jesus Gods love, the holy spirit" should come and live in peoples heart, that would be the kindgom of what he spoke. I believe that Jesus looked after the sense of the commandments and that we are allowed to do the same.

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Simon: What happens when you can no longer support this site?

by StephaneLaliberte in

hey simon, .

the recent closure of jwr made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well.

a great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xjw communities and yours is the best.

TheWonderofYou

What is this?

Its a Google DATA CENTER

How much data does google store?

a) 10-15 exabytes (2014)

b) Look up and imagine punch cards for 3 miles

ad a)

Google holds somewhere around 10-15 exabytes of data. If you are in the majority of the population that doesn’t know what an exabyte is, no worries.An exabyte equals 1 million terabytes, a figure that may be a bit easier to relate to. Using our estimate earlier of a personal computer holding around 500 GB, that would mean 1 exabyte would equal 2 million personal computers, and Google's 15 exabytes would be around 30

We should note that Google does not have the largest data center in the world. If you're curious to see who does, we've written another post to tell you all about who does.
Source: "How much data does google store, by Colin Carson 18,November 2014
https://www.cirrusinsight.com/blog/how-much-data-does-google-store___

We’ve written before about how much data Google stores (it’s staggering), but Google might not store the most data, and definitely doesn’t have the biggest data center. The NSA is suspected to potentially hold the most data out of anyone, though there’s a few other top contenders. But everyone likes to cloak themselves in secrecy. Makes sense. It’s cool to have secrets.
Source: Joshua Loomis, January 26,2016

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Compared to the impressive total volume of stored data at Google

How much would be the shared storage used of this forum?

P.S.

Tour through Google data center: http://www.wired.com/2012/10/ff-inside-google-data-center/

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Bethel "Vow of Poverty" documents scanned.

by What-A-Coincidence in

jw
friends

vow of poverty scanned from 2002 documents.

i believe these are the latest ones unless someone has a newer one.

i posted these in another thread but i thought it deserved its own.. ocrd with 98% accuracy.... initial cover page 1 of 4. vow of obedience and povertyto the.

TheWonderofYou

What is the difference between self-sacrificing order-members and pecuniary motivation?

(the vow..) "It documents the understanding through which each member of the Order provides his services, something that assists governmental agencies to understand better the self-sacrificing rather than pecuniary motivation of those who serve in special full-time service."

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Sheep and the Goats - The Light Gets Brighter

by nmthinker in

perhaps some of you remember a new understanding of the sheep and the goats in the epic march 2015 wt study edition - specifically the article "loyally supporting christ's brothers".. while this article was studied many months ago, it was instrumental in helping me wake up.

during my study of the 2015 article i recalled that we had just revised our understanding of the sheep and the goats a few years ago and this caused me to research the real progression of the jw understanding of this parable.

i put the results of my research in an excel spreadsheet.. .

TheWonderofYou

Shepherd, Sheep & Goats
by Rev. Ed Visser

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lay down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name’s sake." Psalm 23:1-3

We were traveling through the Judean desert toward Jerusalem when we saw it. Coming over one of the many hills, we spotted this pastoral scene, of which I quickly snapped a picture. It’s a typical scene in the land, a bedouin shepherd leading his sheep and goats to food. And yet, the scene before us was atypical of the images we hold in our mind when we read passages like Psalm 23. Admit it! You probably don’t envision “green pastures” that look like sand dunes (where’s the green?).

After all, what’s more like real life? God plopping you down in a field of lush grass, giving you everything you need for your lifetime? Or God leading you, day-by-day, to little tufts of grass, just enough to get you through the day but demanding that you trust him for the next day (“give us this day our daily bread”)?

What’s more like real life? God showing you a nicely paved path and reminding you not to stray off it? Or God leading you, in the midst of a maze of different paths you could choose, down the path that will allow you to live rightly and find sustenance for life (rather than the edge of a cliff)?

You will notice that the shepherd is out in front of his flock — leading them, not driving them like cattle. God wants our relationship with Him to be one of hearing his voice & following, RATHER THAN HAVING TO BE "DRIVEN" TO HEAR AND OBEY. [bold mine ]. True sheep, as Jesus notes in John 10, hear his voice and follow.

But sometimes we don’t follow; we go our own way. What then? Well, Jesus reminds us that a good shepherd will go out to seek and save his lost sheep, for they are precious to him. But there are limits; there will be a time when sheep & goats will be separated, and different fate will await them both. Why did Jesus differentiate between these two types of flocks? After all, in Israel you generally see sheep & goats grazing together. But look closely at this picture. The group of animals in a neat circle nearest the shepherd are sheep; the rest scattered on the hillside are goats. Apparently this is common, for while sheep are good followers, goats often have a mind of their own. Goats have an independent streak which causes them to stray.

Do we?

..... and how does a good shepard lead?

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

TheWonderofYou

Sorry I was not able to delete the last post. Although an"something or other" it has common with the OP.

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

TheWonderofYou

My argument was that wheat and weed very well produced always fruit and that thus the faithful slave is very well 1900 years old. That was Governing Body's Brother Splane explicit declaration that there was not slave before 1919. https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbmw_201506_1_VIDEO

Further info and summary here, thanks to Beroean Pickets!

http://meletivivlon.com/2015/06/13/morning-worship-part-the-slave-is-not-1900-years-old/

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Check up this interesting link:

I came to see that 1914 has no scriptural significance whatsoever. That 1919 does not mark the appointment of the faithful steward. That there is no Scriptural basis for the Governing Body to assume the title of faithful and discreet slave.

From "Where else can we go" by Meleti Vivlon
http://meletivivlon.com/2015/08/02/where-else-can-we-go/

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The Weed AMONG the wheat ..NOT.."the weed overgrowed the wheat" Misunderstood parabel about anointed and about Gods patience

by TheWonderofYou in

referring to tim3l0rd who posted 12 days ago following message (see below) and the postings in which the "scattered" non organised anointed from 100 ce - 1900 ce are discussed, and the parabel of the weed among the wheat, i found out that it is not necessary at all that a "slave class" of anointed does itself distincts frome the weed , founds a new separated church,declares itself clean and holy, and begins a denunciating and destructive unnecessary harvesting.

the slave class of anointed should have better remained in the church and waited for jesus judgement.basis: .

tim310rd wrote: this goes along with the 2013 wt that changed the definition of the fdsl.

TheWonderofYou

Only not forget that there are many who understand this parable of WHEAT AMONG WEED not like Jehovahs witnesses.

May I remind you that JW understand the parable to mean: "there was no appointed FAITHFUL SLAVE until 19..[forgot which year exactly] because everything before was only WEED christianty and there was null sign of wheat christians before....moment Russel... or 1919 [appointment of Slave but not yet GB]

but most christians understand Jesus word similar like the following statement:

'Jesus taught us that in the course of time there will be events of apocalyptic dimensions. These apocalyptic events are times of decision. Ever more during these events the good seeds would grow up, a good seed that has been planted in the "field" by God.

But the evil would grow up till its last consequence, the final shape of evil. To this belongs the political and religious seduction, breakdown of any moral halt, persecution, blackmail, war and violence, hunger crisis for body and soul,
The evil will impose itself as might and right over everybody. This would be a time when the antichrist would claim rulership over hearts and the meaning of Christs kingdom would be irrelevant.

Jesus taught in images to say what was important for the future believers. Only after the good and evil seeds would be evolved the harvesting would take place.

The endtime would be a time of decision and clear light. As the consequences of good and evil would be clearly visible, light and shadows would be better to distinguish. In the endtime everyhting would be grown-up.

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Jehovahs witnesses see wheat only in the endtime that contradicts the parable because where does the parable say that the wheat would suddenly spontaneously grow up in the endtime 1919 and had not grown up over the centuries?

NABRE

The Parable of the Weeds Among the Wheat. 24 He proposed another parable to them.[a] “The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 While everyone was asleep his enemy came and sowed weeds[b] all through the wheat, and then went off. 26 When the crop grew and bore fruit, the weeds appeared as well.27 The slaves of the householder came to him and said, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?’28 He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ His slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29 He replied, ‘No, if you pull up the weeds you might uproot the wheat along with them. 30 Let them grow together until harvest;[c] then at harvest time I will say to the harvesters, “First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles for burning; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Here the key passage is that the CROP GREW ASWELL over the centuries not only the WEED! The CROP didnt appear spontaneously in 1919 as Faithful Slave TM

Again in the NWT Rev. the crop is called stalk, but there was always fruit - good and evil fruit.

24 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26 When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared.

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WT books- will ship

by lrkr in

so i'm cleaning out the attic and i have boxes of wt books.

all of the 90's new systemy books, the 60s and 70s prophecy books, some of the 40s and 50s rainbow books, and bound volumes from about 1975-1995.. i am happy to ship them to anyone that wants them.

2 caveats- you pay shipping, and i'm not digging through them to find anything.

TheWonderofYou

Wouldnt it be good to have in each country at least one library-collection with all the old rainbow and prophecy books?

First for archive purposes and fast access in case of persistent deniers of vague bopping around over bible teachings. Secondly for the case that in the millenium you meet princes Franz and Rutherford and we dont know where that will be exactly and you could prepare yourself by prestudying his writings, so you would glance with your knowledge about teachings if you saw them eye to eye, ooh i forgot their heavenly calls but they will be clever enough to use the 24 elder rule to as possiblty to directly access earthly princes and to manifest themselves for all eternity