Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Blood, the US Army, the US Navy and the Watchtower Society

by OrphanCrow in

the watchtower society blood doctrine is intricately linked to clinical trials in blood technology.

the wts deliberately changes and manipulates the blood doctrine in order to fill the requirements for medical testing in the field of blood technology.

it has been happening since the start of the blood ban and has continued for the last 70 years, leaving untold numbers of dead and maimed jws in the wake of the societys quest for everlasting life here on earth.. .

TheWonderofYou

So Englewood received a sum to train military. Does this perhaps mean that the military surgeons were allowed to watch and to take part in J.W. patients surgery - especially in lifethreatening situations - as well? I simple ask because if I would be a J.W. I didnt want that an army surgeon would operate me. If such things happend, did the patients got a chance to save their life after support through a competent member of HLC by e.g. an alternative method, which could have saved life, so that the patient - maybe a children - could have been saved at Englewood instead of being exsanguinated?

Or let us hope that it was otherwise: That the Englewood surgeon operate together with army surgeons on NAVY and ARMY patients to learn for surgery for J.W. patients.

Most likely it was so that the Englewood team only trained theoretically - held talks in front of a board - about how to do it - and that there was no actual surgery and no patients of J.W. involved physically and only theoretically the patients data were discussed (what I wouldnt like either).

So the question remains to a certain extent: Were J.W. excepted from those trainings with the army, were they informed that such a cooperation existed, could they undersigned a form in which they could decide if personal data were given to army surgeons ?

Let us assume that for J.W.s such guidelines for the patients existed or will be made quickly e.g. whom the patient would allow to operate on it, I hope it because usually without money you dont get your private surgeon, the team will decide.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/188705/englewood-hospital-gets-4-6-million-develop-bloodless-medicine?page=2&size=10
Many witnesses and others look at Englewood as "proof" that modern medicine doesnt need blood transfusions- and that blood transfusion is a product of a unsophisticated past.

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If I Became a JW, Could I Have My Cat on Paradise Earth?

by Cold Steel in

would i?

i wouldn't mind if he slept through eternity (he sleeps most of the time anyway).

i'd just like to be able to move him around occasionally.

TheWonderofYou

Moses grew up at the Pharaos palace and liked playing with cats as much as already Joseph did. Why

Egyptians' admiration for cats infiltrated all aspects of life. Ordinary citizens and esteemed professionals alike noted the importance of cats in Egyptian culture. The ancient Egyptian society relied heavily on agricultural activities. Egyptians harvested plants and crops to sustain the lives of family members and community members. They relied on surplus crops to sell at markets for economic revenue as well. Without cats, which consumed destructive pests, Egyptians faced constant threats of crop loss from attacks by rodents and insects. Egyptians, in response for cats' protection, offered wild and domesticated felines food and shelter. Even wild cats eventually lived closer to human settlements, knowing food and safety abounded.
As with modern humans, Egyptians kept cats as pets. They considered cats loyal companions, much like dogs. Egyptians took trained cats wherever they went, including on hunting expeditions. Egyptians considered cats loyal and intelligent creatures, and believed seeing cats in dreams a sign of good harvest for the coming year.

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If I Became a JW, Could I Have My Cat on Paradise Earth?

by Cold Steel in

would i?

i wouldn't mind if he slept through eternity (he sleeps most of the time anyway).

i'd just like to be able to move him around occasionally.

TheWonderofYou

From the biblical standpoint cats were not a big help for Adam in the beginning after he gave his cat the name "kitten". "But for Adam there was not found a suitable helper for him" (under them) Genesis 2:20. Much has changed since the paradise.

1. Physically and spiritually cats have become indeed real " helpers" today. Not only at home the domestic cats as friends and comforters but also in zoos as attraction they have become "helpers of Adam". They are supporting many men with jobs in pet shops and animal food production and zoos and serve as willing sacrifices in safaris.

Therefore we should be thankfully take us time for cuddling them as much as possible and take care of dieing out "siberian tigers" as well.

Many have not yet considered the role those "helpers" play for our spiritual wellness and that we should reserve time for them! Dont they give us a feeling of a "cosy home" after all?

2. In paradise for a perfect man a cat was not seen as real help. Man thought that he was perfect and cats not. But think about one fact: Animals have never been expelled from the garden eden, okay the sss :snake: snake was cursed (note: she was not guilty but misused by Satan), but only men have been explicitely expelled from Eden by Jehovah! So spiritually for God animals have always lived and remained in the paradise. They need not get into it once again, because they've never been expelled from paradise.

Even today they are living in the perfect state of being very close to Jehovah! Therefore after men was expelled from paradise they are since then even given a much bigger role as helper for Adam. Actually theologians think about giving animals a higher position in nature back. After all they live in paradise and men not. Or is it so that we already live in paradise but cant recognize it because we live in a simulation of an evil world?

Well men are admittedly mature and responsible and supposedly free in their decision to use their "reason", running and striving for ever more plans to shape the world, but in many respects they have lost a natural sense of goodness, kindness and love but princially lost their innocence, something that cats have always possessed in the state of "animal unreason" and with what they are an exemple for us and for what they deserve to live in their paradise for ever.

The bible is not a really closed book, it is open for interpretation and new scrolls are awaited yet for the new world. If you have any question about cats and dogs, sit down on your couch, take your pet and read the bible together with it. This helps much, think about that you are sitting next to a messenger of Jehovah, a messenger of the paradise.

P.S. Perhaps that was the reason why queen Cleopatra liked cats-eyeliners. :cat: :heart:

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Singing

by skimthesurface in

jw
friends

despite not wanting to be a jw anymore and not being at meetings for a few months, still have k. songs coming into my head- both from old and new song books - usually whilst working.

anyone else?

how does it make you feel?.

TheWonderofYou

Even after decades they worked for me: No. 108 (old) /1984 Jehovahs word is faithful.
Please joyfully (kidding) "Just as the raaiiin that faaaa: alllss from heeea ven...."

Dozens differenet of the melodies come up from time to time. I was a passionate singer back than. That doesnt scare me today. I even on the way to the hall in the bus and train had earphones and listened to the first old kingdom cassettes, I had an expensive walkman of Toshiba and repeated them endlessly.

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

TheWonderofYou

OrphanCrows: And, it had to be a male who died - the act had to reaffirm divine patriarchy.

Women are able to create new life out of nothing, they have divine power, childbirth is divine act,
blood is involved.

Men are not able to give a child a birth. So men invented the idea of giving people a better life, spiritual, second, a new life, called "eternal" life, they have to fight, they have to be strong to impress, blood sacrifice is impressive.

Its only the eternal competetion between men and women.

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

TheWonderofYou

A perfect man who sins can very well die. Otherwise the mission of Jesus would have been no test of Loyality.

So if Jesus in his perfect state sinned only once - e.g. didnt accomplish his mission would be a sin (his mission was to be always LOYAL in the great issue and not to die as payment for Adam) - from this moment on he would have started growing old. So if he had not been loyal in just a single occasion he would have instantly began to grow old anyway and die a death of an unimportant forgotten cult leader.

But if he would have remained loyal and would not have sinned and so accomplished fathers mission of proving loyalty with bravour, he shouldn't have died at all and would now be father of many children with a beautiful woman. That was jesus plan.

Sadly the Romans wanted a harder test of loyality. They liked to test all crazy jews with thistlecrowns and torture and even tried lacerations and the test of cruzification on him to see if he was a real king.

Jesus had had other plans. He had not calculated that it would really come so far. He didnt want to die, but he wanted to stay loyal and live forever as perfect man on earth. He had to stay loyal so what could he do? He had to shoulder this roman punishment burden also.

If he fled and called his angel armee to help and free him from the Roman soldiers, he would have been a weakling but would he have been actually illoyal? Did his mission not only actually include Loyality or even loyality until death? Was it a loyality until death mission? Why should it have been a sin not accepting Roman death punishmentto? Would loyality really include paying the unique superman-price for Adams' guilt?

God would have certainly disfellowshipped him from divine companionship but later he would have given him a change to return e.g. as helper of the GB.

He would not have been better or more loyal than Adam. Jesus would have repented but had not commited any heavy sin - only that he didnt want to die and to accept a roman punishment - and so despite everything he would have lived for ever on earth in the end. He could even be a real king and turn over everything to make a paradise earth.

But he didnt want to be an unknown looser for his followers firstly and he knew that his mission included going back to heaven anyway, so he decided to die fast, so he also avoided further tests of loyality and further temptations as well as big sins and could give his followers the hope of resurrection. Was not that a good example? He only had to way 3 days and he would have given a better impression than Adam. (I must be crazy)

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.

by nicolaou in

let's assume god decides what is good and bad.

does he (a) decide what is good because it is obviously good or (b) is it good simply because he says so?.

if (a) god has no choice in what is good.

TheWonderofYou

Christian Frey in Adam an Eve are 800 years older than the bible

https://www.welt.de/geschichte/article128190416/Adam-und-Eva-sind-800-Jahre-aelter-als-die-Bibel.html

The good creator-god El, lives his wife Asherah in a paradise garden. Affliction comes with the evil god Horon, who was banished from the mountain of God and seeks revenge. For this he transformed the tree of life, which is in El's garden, in a tree of death and covered the world with toxic fog.

As El wants to renew life on Earth, raises him Horon in the form of a large snake in the way. Its bite takes of El his immortality. By after El begets offspring to his "good wife" he overcomes the curse and recovers to a kind of immortality.

El aka Adam was in this original version so initially a deity. "In this original version Eva bears no guilt," explains Marjo Korpel. Bible Students were convinced already long assumed that the biblical creation story of Adam and Eve is an older myth is based. Only lacked a written proof.

On a connection to ancient oriental myths circle Mesopotamia refers also the residence of Adam and Eve in the Ugarit version. Your Paradise is on the slopes of Mount Ararat, Noah's Ark landed on the according to the Old Testament after the flood. Before that happens, Noah leaves repeatedly releasing doves that are looking for dry land out.

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In the older story there was no part of disobidience and no sin of Eve at all.

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YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.

by nicolaou in

let's assume god decides what is good and bad.

does he (a) decide what is good because it is obviously good or (b) is it good simply because he says so?.

if (a) god has no choice in what is good.

TheWonderofYou

When I was yet faithful? .... I thought that most commandments were logically explainable because they were for a human benefit, basically what was in OT the 10 commandments.

But two commandments I thought had no benefit

1 the blood probition, for which there was no logical explanation - only that blood should belong to god was no explanation for me, pouring out blood I thought was only a benefit for god (giving back)- and

2 the Test God gave Adam and Eve "not eat from this fruit".

Those two commandements I understood to be "tests of obidience" without reasonable benefit for man and I accepted it until some day I questioned it. But that was process with some years of thinking about. Then I asked myself:

"Would God ever give a command that is not reasonable and not explainable and had no benefit?" and so slowly I allowed doubts in the J.W. literal explanation of the story about Adam and Eve and Blood issue

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Today, incidentally, I am reading Erich Fromm and what he thought about the story of Adam and Eve, because am yet looking for the "perfect" explanation, means the most reasonable explanation for me, i hope I can find it, cause I am a guy who always wants explanations, what lead me into the arms of that cult. I hope that I am not boring you with any of my findings.

For Erich From this old elementary myth about Adam and Eve is not mainly a story about obidience but about freedom ..yes. but not disobidience was the main subject - he thought - but the freedom to human independence. The prehuman nature with insticnts without knowlege about dead is over. The perfect prehuman existence with no problems only living in instincs is in the story the paradise.

The shame and guiltfeelings and fear ( of Adam and Eve in the story) are the effects not of "disobidience" but of seperateness, strangeness because humans have a mind and are AWARE that without love they have nobody and only will die.

This is acccording to Fromm clearly to see in the story because Adam gave Eve the debt, he didnt love her, he didnt defent her when God asked. Why? The nakedness in the story is expression of the awareness of otherness between men. Foreigner feel ashamed like naked.

Awarness of nakedness cant be a consequence of disobidience to Jehovah because why should the bible be written for the puritan moral of the 19. century!

Here I found corresponding text in english, I like this explanations

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Catching My Breath (RIP JWD'ers)

by Phaedra in

mouthy.

farkel.

ros.

TheWonderofYou

Its as if I knew him when I listen to the music.

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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth

by OrphanCrow in

patient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.

pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.

a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.

TheWonderofYou

In fact, scores of them are physicians, even surgeons

It seems that more and more J.W. were seeking worldly careers and caught hold of their dream job - being physician. After that they played a role in promotion of what now is the bloodmanagement project. If you start scraching on the surface you will certainly find more. Note: that is in strict opposition to GB Lösch order not to seek wordly careers, a resounding slap for him, that the most clever J.W.s become physicians and achieve to be payed by pharmaceutical companies but all clear their job decision is as well a matter of conscience.