British Branch up for Sale

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

more money for mother!!.

http://ibsaproperty.com/.

Thanks I have never seen how impressive and state-of-the art designed the London bethel is. I like the IBSA appartments in the new built Green Court, the pictures give me impression how typcial bethel apparment might look like today.

I dont really understand why it might be necessary to leave a city-location like this. Of course printery and warehouse dont fit into a Ridgeway neighbourhood with mansion and always need better traffic connection for the huge trucks, but how much printing is done today, how much traffic of trucks will be there, isnt it always more and more less traffic because of the digital revolution? And wouldnt there be at least enough place enough for the IBSA property and some fine appartments behind the watchtower house at Ridgeway on the green field?

Everything leads me to the conclusion that a concentrated headquarter is the main goal, because it is seen as even better investment than the todays old houses. And everything on one single spot would have the advantage, that a single compound could ( like the Warwick HQ ) later been better and easily to resell to any big company as HQ. (gain in value)

Or is everything only a competition with Warwick? Who will have the more beautiful bethel? I dont understand why in London a second bethel is necessary at all, if we have already one in Warwick, Patterson, Wallkill,....

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Latest from Australian Royal Commission

by gerry in

just received this update.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=8e90fa1e64ebb08847cc04916&id=fcec86ae2b&e=0670c7af59.

TheWonderofYou

marked

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

TheWonderofYou

Doesnt "we can err" sound more likely like a lousy "Pardon" as to all past errors than already for potential future ones?

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What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?

by schnell in

i was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

1) there are many faithful jws.

2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.

TheWonderofYou

After Collapse blazes new research trails in both archaeology and the study of social change, demonstrating that the archaeological record often offers more clues to the “dark ages” that precede regeneration than do text-based studies. It opens up a new window on the past by shifting the focus away from the rise and fall of ancient civilizations to their often more telling fall and rise.

Perhaps relevant in the society's rebirth. So we will have to wait for the actual fall to learn more about how it worked out and what we will have to learn form it.

https://www.amazon.com/After-Collapse-Regeneration-Complex-Societies/dp/0816529361

This is a special organisation, people meant it had gods blessing. It will be a time of looking for a new purpose. The money will rule the process of finding new leaders. There will be hearings and even many Ex-JW, connected with this forum as well and others will be asked to play a role in the process to save the beaten and shattered bible publishing and printing society.

The Society will arrange member participation in the investments and pay out annual reward for the new to find teaching and publishing sectors, christian life style, fashion, edcuation in setup of natural preserves with endangered species in animal arks and glossy print marketing to promote all this e.g. At least its a prestigious printing house.

Further the JW-Bethels will become a sample society for future economical cities on earth and on Mars, where closed little societies will have to live in harmony and produce everything for themselves and autarkic all services inhouse fully autartic included of course.

It will become the best cult ever, if we accomplish to fire the GB...and fast.

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so let me get this straight.. the borg moves into their new corporate country club....

by nowwhat? in

with their luxurious lakeside condos.

takes all the congregations funds promising new kingdom halls.

but instead starts selling off kingdom halls ..then makes faithful old brothers and sisters drive 20-30 miles to another one, and .kicks out half the bethelites for only only tech savy college educated ones.can barely afford to send out printed publications anymore.

TheWonderofYou

http://www.betheltours.net/by-air

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Comparing WT Library - 2011 vs. 2012

by MeanMrMustard in

a couple of years ago, i participated in a thread on this site comparing the old nwt (1984) to the new nwt (2013).

i was able to produce a nwt mash up pdf showing the side-by-side differences between the two versions of the nwt.

herethis site claims it will hold the file for download for a long time.

TheWonderofYou

Its absolutely disturbing and incomprehensibly for me that old literature is adapted to newer understanding solely to serve with updated but old references that sound similar like the newer intonation or language. Is all literature of JW a "living" encyclopedia that extinguishes old thoughts.?

The project is astonishing and valuable.

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Do Orthodox Jews reject blood transfusions ? because of the scriptures, they strictly believe ?

by smiddy in

this thought occured to me that orthodox jews take the bible/old testament scriptures very seriously regarding the blood issue raised in scripture .. and this is certainly borne out in regard to the bleeding of animals before eating them ,kosher food.. the orthodox jews are far more stricter than jehovah`s witnesses in this application / interpretation of scripture ,and i am curious as to how they interpret and understand these scriptures.. how do they view blood transfusions in the medical world.?.

and is it only the orthodox jews that are expected to only eat kosher food ?

how about the ordinary believing jew with their religion.do they also only eat kosher food ?

TheWonderofYou

Rabbi Steinsaltz speaking about

"The value of human life".

"Life's value: Ethical dilemmas 1+2"

"Man's responsibilty to heal"

Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz is a teacher, philosopher, social critic, and spiritual mentor, who has been hailed by Time magazine as a "once-in-a-millennium scholar".[1] He has devoted his life to making the Talmud accessible to all Jews.[2] Originally published in modern Hebrew, with a running commentary to facilitate learning, his Steinsaltz edition of the Talmud[3] has also been translated into English, French, Russian and Spanish. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adin_Steinsaltz)

Comment by Adin Steinsaltz about cults that sacrifice their children, in his post "Cult trangress basic universal belief"

When parents sacrifice their children, or kill them indirectly, there is something deeply wrong with the group. For both rational and emotional reasons, a deed like this is shatters our basic, universal belief system; a person who commits such a deed can be forgiven only in a clear case of insanity. See Deuteronomy 12:31.

In the comments section I found some comments about Watchtower and JWs

https://www.onfaith.co/onfaith/2009/04/02/cults-transgress-basic-universal-beliefs/7671

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The value of human life

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3406561/jewish/The-Value-of-Human-Life.htm

Ethical dilemmas 1+2

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3406638/jewish/Lifes-Value-Ethical-Dilemmas.htm

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3406641/jewish/Ethical-Dilemmas-for-Prioritizing-Life.htm

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3406563/jewish/Mans-Responsibility-to-Heal.htm

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Jehovah Witnesses sects flock to Hudson Valley Town

by ToesUp in

interesting article regarding the properties owned by jw's and other sects.. shawangunk - this ulster county town, with a ridge of quartz mountains rising 2,000 feet, is a mecca for rock climbers.

in recent years, religious groups have also begun flocking to the mid-hudson valley municipality of 15,000 residents, putting down roots and scooping up tax breaks.. in 2015, the 29 shawangunk properties with religious non-profit status were worth $148 million, up 85 percent since 1999.. “our town is nearly 30 percent exempt,” said town tax assessor curt schoeberl.

“in the last five or 10 years, the largest tax-exempt group’s growth is religious.

TheWonderofYou

Here we have the Watchtower Farms, in the Red Mill Road in Shawangunk, a region that is also from touristic view very interesting as investition.

TOWN OF SHAWANGUNK
Red Mill Road
A sprawling complex on 1,141 acres, including a saw mill, food processing and printing plants
Estimated market value: $135 million.
Tax exempt. If taxable, it would pay about $4.7 million in property taxes.
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20 km to Minnewaska Lake Beach

Red Mill Rd.

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Jehovah Witnesses sects flock to Hudson Valley Town

by ToesUp in

interesting article regarding the properties owned by jw's and other sects.. shawangunk - this ulster county town, with a ridge of quartz mountains rising 2,000 feet, is a mecca for rock climbers.

in recent years, religious groups have also begun flocking to the mid-hudson valley municipality of 15,000 residents, putting down roots and scooping up tax breaks.. in 2015, the 29 shawangunk properties with religious non-profit status were worth $148 million, up 85 percent since 1999.. “our town is nearly 30 percent exempt,” said town tax assessor curt schoeberl.

“in the last five or 10 years, the largest tax-exempt group’s growth is religious.

TheWonderofYou

Below you find some beautiful images of the region where all the Watchtower prestige buildings are situated. This means only some kilometers away from there

http://www.mohonkpreserve.org/

Watchtower Farm ...next Dwaar Kill below left

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Jehovah Witnesses sects flock to Hudson Valley Town

by ToesUp in

interesting article regarding the properties owned by jw's and other sects.. shawangunk - this ulster county town, with a ridge of quartz mountains rising 2,000 feet, is a mecca for rock climbers.

in recent years, religious groups have also begun flocking to the mid-hudson valley municipality of 15,000 residents, putting down roots and scooping up tax breaks.. in 2015, the 29 shawangunk properties with religious non-profit status were worth $148 million, up 85 percent since 1999.. “our town is nearly 30 percent exempt,” said town tax assessor curt schoeberl.

“in the last five or 10 years, the largest tax-exempt group’s growth is religious.

TheWonderofYou

Watchtower properties in mid-Hudson
TOWN OF SHAWANGUNK
Red Mill Road
A sprawling complex on 1,141 acres, including a saw mill, food processing and printing plants
Estimated market value: $135 million.
Tax exempt. If taxable, it would pay about $4.7 million in property taxes.
TOWN OF NEWBURGH
1294 Route 300
Former Hampton Inn
Market value: $6.4 million
Tax exempt. It was paying $262,000 in property taxes before Watchtower bought it.
15 Crossroads Court
Former Hilton Garden Inn on 5.6 acres
Market value: $8 million
Tax exempt. It was paying $326,000 in property taxes before Watchtower bought it.
TOWN OF MONTGOMERY
124 Bracken Road
200,000-square-foot warehouse on 12 acres
Market value: $8.3 million
Tax exempt. It would pay $290,832 if taxable.
TOWN OF WARWICK
15, 20, 30, 40, 45, 50 and 55 King's Drive, off Long Meadow Road
Watchtower world headquarters
Watchtower is building three multi-story apartment buildings, a vehicle maintenance building; a four-level parking garage, and an office-service building. The complex will total 1.6 million square feet.
Construction has not been completed and therefore the property as a whole has not been assessed.
TOWN OF TUXEDO
Route 72 and Long Meadow Road
Former research headquarters of International Paper
Market value $2,748,000
Tax exempt. It would pay $103,491 if taxable.
227 Ironwood Drive
Apartment complex
Market value: $749,200
Taxes paid: $28,213. Watchtower is seeking an exemption.
51 Woods Road
Single-family home
Market value: $344,600
Taxes paid: $12,868. Watchtower is seeking an exemption.
57 Cross Ridge Road
Single family home
Market value: $345,800.
Tax exempt. It would pay $13,168 if taxable.
15 Sylvan Way
Single-family home
Market value: $295,500.
Taxes paid: $10,056. Watchtower is seeking an exemption.
Source: town assessors and Orange County
http://www.recordonline.com/article/20150307/NEWS/150309486

TheWonderofYou

Posts by TheWonderofYou

TOWN OF SHAWANGUNKRed Mill RoadA sprawling complex on 1,141 acres, including a saw mill, food processing and printing plantsEstimated market value: $135 million.Tax exempt. If taxable, it would pay about $4.7 million in property taxes.___

20 km to Minnewaska Lake Beach

TOWN OF SHAWANGUNK
Red Mill Road
A sprawling complex on 1,141 acres, including a saw mill, food processing and printing plants
Estimated market value: $135 million.
Tax exempt. If taxable, it would pay about $4.7 million in property taxes.
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