Its getting a bit long in the tooth although so much people worked here voluntary and for the only true and real kingdom that exists, tearing down and building the new one here was here no alternative.
TheWonderofYou
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Circuit hall for sale - Netherlands (even has a website)
by Anony Mous inhttps://congreshal.nl/.
built in 1966, renovated 4 times since last in 2011, they then built a new one for eur 8m and sold this one.. roughly translated: the foundation for building and exploitation of congregation buildings of jehovah's witnesses (department bennekom) is happy to announce the sale of the congregation hall at edesweg 147 in bennekom.. the well maintained building of approximately 5700 sq meters divided in two layers with approximately 300 parking places on included property offers great possibilities for various fits.. on the edge of the "food valley" and "knowledge axis" lays the place bennekom currently fully under development.
both the reachability and the compartments of the buildings offer the space for various fits and cooperation between interested parties.. .
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RUSSIA: (7 April 2017) Day 3 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way
by Drearyweather inin moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
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TheWonderofYou
FSEM - What exactly? If only this list of literature is a basis of an accusation for "extremism" then really each piece of literature (or passage in the literature) which is included should be at the moment of inclusiion ben notarially documented and a accompanied by a serious argument by the ministry of justice and not only ad-hoc.
LRO - Local regional organisations - the legal entities - hundreds of congregations and otther entities, right?
MPO ....
...legal certainty .. interesting.
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RUSSIA: (7 April 2017) Day 3 - Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way
by Drearyweather inin moscow, a soft rain drizzles.
along the facade of the supreme court stretched a large queue of those who came to the process as listeners.
a large bus is parked at the courthouse on povarskaya street, full of obviously bored police officers.
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TheWonderofYou
Thanks. I like the short summaries.
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Circuit hall for sale - Netherlands (even has a website)
by Anony Mous inhttps://congreshal.nl/.
built in 1966, renovated 4 times since last in 2011, they then built a new one for eur 8m and sold this one.. roughly translated: the foundation for building and exploitation of congregation buildings of jehovah's witnesses (department bennekom) is happy to announce the sale of the congregation hall at edesweg 147 in bennekom.. the well maintained building of approximately 5700 sq meters divided in two layers with approximately 300 parking places on included property offers great possibilities for various fits.. on the edge of the "food valley" and "knowledge axis" lays the place bennekom currently fully under development.
both the reachability and the compartments of the buildings offer the space for various fits and cooperation between interested parties.. .
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TheWonderofYou
Good morning
Here as info a Google Street view 360 surround shot.
The place is located ideal at the motorway. A good place for an educational institution, a private college or a shopping mall.
Thats funny:
You translated "The Foundation for Building and Exploitation of Congregation", whereas the
object of investments' homepage says "the foundation of construction and operation of meeting places".
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The Son of God? An Atheists view please.
by Miss Worldly inplease bare with me on this.. firstly, i do not intend to cause offence to anyone.
i apologise if what i am saying is blasphemous to some.
i appreciate your views and mine may differ.
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TheWonderofYou
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I see the stories of the bible as report about eternal struggle between the pagan origin and the humanity. The Thorah was only the underlay for the silverware and plates, not to be understood literally but to be used as basis of the interpretation by the important theologians, man, priests and rabbis, what they are doint even today. As the interpretion was the purpose of writing and collecting the bible texts, therefore it exists yet.
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The Son of God? An Atheists view please.
by Miss Worldly inplease bare with me on this.. firstly, i do not intend to cause offence to anyone.
i apologise if what i am saying is blasphemous to some.
i appreciate your views and mine may differ.
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TheWonderofYou
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2. If someone today believes they are the son of God or Satan or whoever, no one would believe them. They would be treated for mental illness.
The title "Son of God" has nothing to do with illusion of mental illness. It has historical basis in jewish world. It was a common term in the jewish theology and enthronement rite and not a term for a biological son of god but a honory title.
The titel "Son of god" appears in the old testament of the hebrew bible already before Jesus Christ lived at all.
Hosea 11,1 calls the people of Israel "the son". In the Psalms the enthroned kings are called "sons" of god. Of course the jewish kings did not think that they were biological sons of god, but adopted the ancient oriental tradition where the at the kings courts the honory titel "son of God" was used at the enthronement ceremonies. So the term came to Israel from oldoriental, babylonian enthronement rites.
Psalm 2 uses this oriental royal court language in the enthronement scene. But here in Psalm 2 with this formula the king is not the biological son of God but is chosen and adopted and gets obligated legally to act as minister in the place of god, representing god. The kings were also anointed with anointed oil, like christians today do at the confirmation, what underlined this ministry.
6 Saying: “I myself have installed my king+On Zion,+ my holy mountain.” 7 Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah;He said to me: “You are my son;+Today I have become your father.+Psalm
The king David was Son not because he was it biological, but because he was adopted as son, in the language. Therefore the PROCREATION, another term, is the act of chosing by god. Israel is likewise called the chosen Son of God. The kings are chosen, the anointed are chosen ones. - There is no biological procreation.
With that in mind the term "Son of God" was alread well known in the jewish world and should not mean that Jesus is the biological son of the father but rather it meant a king or Messiah.
But of Jesus is told that he was killed because he agreed to be the "son of God". It was the blasphemy for what he was killed to say to be the son of god. Was it because no one else was allowed to use the title than the real king the awaited Messiah.?
Of course it could be that a wannabe-Messiah who wanted to become king or messiah lived and was killed and that he was so ill that he said he was even a biological son of god and not that Jesus he was like in the gospels a great teacher a intelligent rabbi.
or it could have been that the story of a Wannabe-messiah was only a creative invention of the later church to have a hero, but he was in reality a looser, but who wants a looser, a crucified, as founder of a religion, the romans who wanted to defeat the Jews?
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the dead sea scrolls dating about 200 - 100 BCE often combined the title "Messiah" with Son of God and Son of the highest. Another fact that shows that it was a common term.
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The Son of God? An Atheists view please.
by Miss Worldly inplease bare with me on this.. firstly, i do not intend to cause offence to anyone.
i apologise if what i am saying is blasphemous to some.
i appreciate your views and mine may differ.
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TheWonderofYou
Hey Miss Wordly,
if I was an atheist I would still believe that the bible is an important work of world literature. It tells after all about the world, dear Miss Wordly, how worldy things pull down and how holy things build up, wordly and holy things that happened with people in this world.
1. The bible was written to frighten or control men
Its a message of hope, freedom, mercy. The bible is the text that evolved, emerged and was collected along a long road in which the nomadic shepards and shepardess became permanent settled, urbanized and built a temple and got a state. Their picture of god changed from a mountain god or local god to a universal cosmic god that is in heaven. Thats for me a fascination story, and it is varnished with heroic tales and sayings about importance of values like friendship and mercy.
As athesist I would like to read the Psalms or to read the bible book "song of songs", in which a horny shepard falls in love with a girl, the texts about his longing and desire and I would understand that this text was written to give people hope and to teach a merciful tangible close god in contrast to a distant majestic "Zebaot"-god. Both different images of god existed in the world and Israel made a decision for the merciful god. Alone this story besides the many titles that were given to gods, how much people were interested in a religious life in those times and how they made their gods to look like they wanted.
The most important part of the Old Testament was the Thora, it was not seen as control instrument, but as guidance, thus say all old rabbis. Besides that there was a civil legislation.
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RUSSIA: (5 April 2017) Jehovah's Witnesses hearing under way
by jwleaks inthe trial has begun.
the crowd on the street (see photo) is now inside and the gallery is packed.. yesterday jehovah's witnesses presented a written legal argument - "objections to the administrative claim of the ministry of justice of the russian federation" - to the supreme court of russia which, in paragraph 254, argued that if the ministry for justice liquidates and bans the activities of jehovah's witnesses then this will force individual members to renounce or abandon their religion for fear of persecution.. download legal argument (russian).
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TheWonderofYou
I plead for a period of a dozen years in which the managment of the J.W. finances in Russia would be taken from the hands of the money-mad leaders and given to a Russian public trustee, a trustee that keeps the accounts of the religion.
In this time the Russian ministry of religion and culture would observe the developments and adaption of JW procedures about e.g.
1) pedophile files treatment, procedure to be changed.
2) judicial hearing process. to be changed and treatment of ex-JW which harms people physical and spiritual health and destroys families. to be changed
3) free informed decision to take blood or not without pressure of the JW Hospital Liason committee. No HLC in hospitals, to be changed.
4) usage of a part of the witness money for relief activities and victims of JW-shunning and repression in Russia.
NO persecution, No criminalization!! Only if no cooperation is achieveable!
After a dozen of years the ministry of culture could finally proudly accept then the religion as "JW of Russia".
And all JW in the world would lately benefit from such a "Russian Action for Immediate Change in JW legal procedures in regards to protecting publicity and members from any harm or exploitation from extreme procedures". Note I say extreme procedures but not extreme people, they are are lost sisters and brothers!!
Its because I have always a spark of hope and want the best for anybody. So I am. Give them the chance to change. A religious change from inside is the only thing that has sense.
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Why are the individuals who make up the Governing Body so deluded
by UnshackleTheChains insurely these men must see what's going on.
if they can afford fancy pinky rings, they must have smart phones.
if they have smart phones, they must be inquisitive as to how they are perceived.
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TheWonderofYou
Flipper: These WT leaders are evil, narcissistic, sociopaths who feel the laws of the land in any country do not apply to them. They feel entitled as they feel they ARE " god " essentially and have no need to answer to anyone for their actions.
The power has only who manages the finances. Most part of JW -life is about money, free labor, donating as much as possible to the headquarter and not reporting about the usage of money.
cash as much as you can - what a lifestyle - dont report about - how cruel.
Tricky arguments let one go donate to the cash mashines, cause money is always urgently neede to cover the unexpected costs - money-madness
What if the managment of the J.W. finances would be taken from the hands of the money-mad leaders and given to a public trustee a trustee that keeps the accounts of the religion?
Then the GB could concentrate on spiritual matters and not have the burden to keep the accounts. Its a nice idea, A "public ministry of religion and culture" can lead the accounts for cults.
Much would change. The faith is allowed, not forbidden, no persecution, but the control over finance should be not in the hands of money mad leaders as long as there is no cooperation about temporarily three subjects:
1) pedophile files
2) change in the judicial hearing process and treatment of ex-JW which harms people physical and spiritual health and destroys families
3) free informed decision to take blood or not without pressure of the JW Hospital Liason committee. HLC
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JW Russia Ban Threat Being Reported on BBC
by konceptual99 injust for information really.. the bbc is reporting the jw ban.
they have a news article and have been running a video report amongst headline items on the bbc world news channel.
the article is below, i cannot find the video report online yet.
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