Posts by TheWonderofYou

4

Anyone have Rutherford's "Face the Facts" talk as a mp3?

by VM44 in

does anyone have judge rutherford's 1938 "face the facts" talk as an mp3?.

here is what time magazine said at the time about the talk:.

judge rutherford's rambling, worldwide speech was entitled "face the facts.

TheWonderofYou

"Face the Facts", 1938 J.F.Rutherford ..... start listening at 41:00 speaking him against "totalitarian combine" or "monstorsity" and "the Roman Hierachy" (enemies of the people) who fight against Jehovah, who was called the "the friend of the people".

Did Rutherford exploit the people's fear of totalitarianism for his purpose or did he upbuild them with positive hopeful biblical thoughts inmidst a time of persecution ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpc23pTykuA

Link to a tract version

http://liberalgeek.com/sites/default/files/jehovahs-witnesses-rutherford-1938-face-the-facts.pdf

"TIME" article also discussed in these threads

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/189248/time-comments-on-judge-rutherfords-face-facts-1938 or
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/130152/looking-back-face-facts

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

Vivid discussion about the ban in discussion forum of the Austrian newspaper . "Der Standard" Already 279 postings.

http://derstandard.at/2000056282952/Russland-verbietet-Zeugen-Jehovas

Example:

"The ZJ have embittered and fought legally against Austria's refusal to acknowledge them. This ultimately led to the fact that Austria has completely redesigned its recognition rights for religious communities."

"There is no good thing about the systematic elimination of child abuse, the refusal of life-saving blood transfusions, the shunning of dropouts and other thoughts, the contempt for the LGBT community, the indoctrinating of phobias (the armagedon, the devil). Good people would be. Against child abuse abuse, but this is not possible in the ZJ system because the internal jurisdiction is deterred ..."
"Is not it that a Jehovah's Witness who marries someone who is not a witness himself is then expelled from the community and thus immediately by the whole family?
"It took 1800 years until the church and the secular power were separated, it probably takes so long until the people separate themselves from leaving."
Stupidity is just like cancer: everyone has it in itself.
"Well It depends on the members For example, I have in relatives those who have broken off contact with us because we are evil Catholics;) And just a few days ago I learned that a relative of mine (ZJ) (20 years old) is now married ...She has known him already 1 year and has been engaged for 5 months ... The man was selected by her parents. Well, of course he is a witness. I've expected it somehow, but then I've fallen out of all the clouds ... Something like that still exists in Europe in 2017?!?

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

I assume that now much more donations will fill the accounts which will be squandered for court cases, investments and blood management research.

Will adult and minor JW now be forced to accept blood in Russia?
Do excommunicated have the right to ask for compensation payments?

Have all bibles and magazins in private homes to be given back handed over to the government and will they be shipped back to america soon?

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

http://www.lastampa.it/2017/04/20/esteri/russia-la-corte-suprema-vieta-lattivit-dei-testimoni-di-geova-sono-estremisti-siJ9h6pef2P9JIMeQfEilM/pagina.html

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

http://diepresse.com/home/ausland/welt/5204368/Russlands-Oberstes-Gericht-verbietet-Zeugen-Jehovas

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

Will 2017 be an important year?

When 1919 Rutherford and other Watchtower directors were released from jail, bible prophesies fulfilled!

"Comparably, after a Babylonish captivity, the anointed remnant was delivered in 1919, and under the guidance of God's spirit, the once desolate "soil" of spiritual Israel has been cleansed." Watchtower 1988 Sep 15 p.15

"After their trialsome period of 1917-1919, Jehovah’s people subjected themselves to scrutiny. Realizing that they had acted in ways that did not meet with God’s approval, they sought forgiveness in prayer repenting of their former course. This led to Jehovah’s forgiveness and blessing. One compromise had been the cutting of pages from The Finished Mystery, this to please those who had assumed the position of censor. Another occurred when The Watch Tower of June 1, 1918, stated: "In accordance with the resolution of Congress of April 2nd, and with the proclamation of the President of the United States of May 11, it is suggested that the Lord’s people everywhere make May 30th a day of prayer and supplication." Subsequent comments lauded the United States and did not harmonize with the Christian position of neutrality." Yearbook 1975 p.119

Will the governing body now seek forgiveness and change literature as well as accept government censure?

Jehovah’s people should again subject themselves to scrutiny....once more in 2017 not only to fulfill prophesies but to think about the human rights

The Finished Mystery quote above was page 251 of the 1917 edition. Rather than stand fast to its beliefs and principles, Watchtower meekly followed the United States governmental ordered to remove pages 247 to 254 from The Finished Mystery.
In the 1918 edition, the section covering the sub-heading “Out of the mouth of the dragon” was reduced from 5 pages to 1 paragraph. Click here for a PDF scan of the pages from the 1917 edition that were removed from the 1918 edition.
Watchtower was not imprisoned for preaching truth about God’s Kingdom; it was for taking side in politics. Their release was equally a violation of their principles, a result of complying with the government order to change what they had printed. Neither action showed them to be spiritually cleansed.

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1919-derived.php

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

The supreme court is mostly interested in the Rights of the Children. Obviously it was not seen as highest importance to address the main concern of the Court namely the effects of cult education on children

184

Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/jehovahs-witness-banned-in-russia-as-extremist-organization-57649

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/russland-oberstes-gericht-verbietet-zeugen-jehovas_id_6995053.html

5

Blondie's Comments Will Not Hear at the 04-16-2017 WT Study (RANSOM)

by blondie in

jw
friends

blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 16, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (ransom).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/jesus-ransom-a-perfect-present/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

TheWonderofYou

Was the ransom really a "Perfect present" if it happened only "at tremendous cost to himself"?

If Jehovah first gave his Son as present - "at tremendous cost", Insight - to the mankind and later used the same present as his clever provision to pay the ransom-price back (at tremendous cost for his son) to him self, what kind of perfect present was that?

For me it appears to be merely a articifal constructed play for people who make a point of rightousness and judicial arrangements but not a real ransom.

( Jehovah is the donor and recipient at the same time, what sense does this make? Why should god "at tremendous cost" for himself and pain and suffering for his son play such a game?)

Insight:

The strictness of God’s justice made it impossible for mankind itself to provide its own redeemer. (Ps 49:6-9) However, this results in the magnifying of God’s own love and mercy in that he met his own requirements at tremendous cost to himself, giving the life of his own Son to provide the redemption price. (Ro 5:6-8) This required his Son’s becoming human to correspond to the perfect Adam.

2

Gods Government should reside in Beth Sarim

by TheWonderofYou in

awake!

according to this watchtower prophecy proclaimed since 1929 by the 2nd director of jehovahs witnesses j.f.

rutherford - name-giver of "jehovahs witnesses" - actually gods government or gods kingdom should have its earthly visible presence located in san diego california.. as most jehovahs witnesses are forbidden to read this information here on internet please inform all jehovahs witnesses you know but secretly about this scandalizing false prophecy of its founder.. the chapter vi of the book "salvation" from 1939 is entitled "god's government" and one paragraph is dedictated to the san diego headquarter of the future earthly goverment, where faithful resurrected servants of god were awaited to act as princes on earth and execute power in this thesis of goverment.

TheWonderofYou

Now it is interesting to see how in the book Salvation after the paragraph about the building a house for the princes that should rule over the earth and the picture, instantly a chapter is following about an awaited great multitude of people surviving Armagedon, people who would supposedly have to live also on earth under the prophezised princes, who should administrate earthly matters as proof for this heresy. "

"and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth." (Salvation, Watchtower)

It seems that these two false prophesies are closely connected....without people living on earth, great multitude, no necessity for them to take charge of visible affairs of earth. So the founder of Jehovahs witnesses strongly believed once that this house would be necessary and should be donated by the exploited cult-followers.

The real story of Beth Sarim

"Beth-Sarim was built with funds that were a direct contribution for that purpose."

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6905/real-chronology-beth-sarim

As this prophesy didnt come true the Watchtower corrected its "understanding" of the matter

« A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death,(*) the board
of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim .
Why ? « The Watchtower » of December 15, 1947, explained : » It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep ; our faith in the return of the men of old time
whom the King Christ will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely
in Califonia) is based , not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise. »

Wow. The new understanding fitted perfectly. But why did they build this house for the princes already before Armageddon and not after it ? They awaited the princes to return before Armageddon.

More information about Beth Sarim and Beth Shan is available.

Here is an article by TerryWalstrom

The immediate personal use of this home and facilities in mild weather San Diego would be immediately available to Rutherford. However, the deed to the property makes it appear this was for the noble reason of providing a haven for the arrival of faithful men and women of old as Abraham, Moses, Rahab, and Sarah. A portion of the deed of trust reads as follows:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5124535745511424/doom-luxury-watchtower-elite-prepares-great-tribulation