The bethel was next to the beach in the village of Sunshine on the Gulf of Finland N
Here the beach on a sunny day. (Google map "Solnechoye")
Entry
Entry is next to a property of "Petrobir" a beer brewery Privzavod Petrobir
which was the neighbour of the bethel family.
Beech
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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by OrphanCrow inhttp://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.
who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.
the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.
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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by OrphanCrow inhttp://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.
who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.
the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.
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Kolomyazhskiy prospekt :
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Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by OrphanCrow inhttp://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.
who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.
the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.
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The picture of the St.Petersburg convention hall is not good. This is reality. This hall's address is Kolomyazhskiy prospekt 21
Taken from streetview.
Another commercially attractive plot size in hectares - on Kolomyazhsky Avenue 21. There Jehovah's Witnesses built Congress Hall for 2000 people, used for large events and lectures.
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Warning: A. Vogel (JW-run organization) treatments popping up in the US
by Anony Mous ini've noticed a few of my local grocery stores are stocking a. vogel homeopathy products.
a. vogel is a company ran primarily by jehovah's witnesses, the "brains" behind the operation, alfred vogel, has since died but he claimed to be one of the anointed.
the bolle family (co-founders of the company) is a well-known, (now very wealthy) family in the netherlands and there have been significant "contributions" in the past from the company to the watchtower organization.. alfred vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied native american herbal healing methods... from a native american tourist photo-op actor.
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Alfred Vogel was a well-known conman, he claimed blood transfusions would change someone's personality, he claimed to have studied Native American herbal healing methods...
He certainly referred to the same middleage scientist who is the basis of JW-faith about personality change. I forgot his name...?
However todays alternative medicine proclaims also the SERIOUS danger of a personality change; _References also to Aryeh Shander and Meybohm and Zacharovski......like a JW propaganda + alternative medicine.
https://www.dorisp.at/medizin-news-massive-gef%C3%A4hrdung-durch-bluttransfusionen/
DAHER BLUTTRANSFUSION NEIN DANKE!! Mir war das mit der Bluttransfusion schon immer klar, man übernimmt ja auch damit ein absolut fremdes Immunsystem mit allen seinen Erfahrungen von Baby an. Mit einem oder mehreren fremden Immunsystemen im Körper kommt es zu einem Durcheinander im Körper. Krebs entsteht dadurch natürlich sehr viel schneller, denn ein gutes Immunsystem schützt u.a. auch vor Krebs. Laut einem Heilpraktiker kann einem bei Krankheiten dann laut seiner Erfahrung auch angeblich die Clark-Medizin nicht mehr helfen, weil das fremde Immunsystem die Heilung blockiert Ich kenne aber auch persönlich Menschen die eine Transfusion erhalten haben und plötzlich gravierende Persönlichkeitsveränderungen aufwiesen! Ist dies möglich? Transportiert Blut, dieser besondere Saft, am Ende auch noch Emotionen, Gefühle und Erfahrungen die man im Leben gemacht hat? Welch Perversion wären dann Bluttransfusionen in Wirklichkeit? Die Ärzte sehen diesen Fehler zum Glück endlich nach und nach ein. Vor allem sollte man bedenkten dass wenn schon Stuhltransplantationen von Übergewichtigen bei bisher schlanken Menschen Übergewicht auslöst, was passiert dann erst wenn Blut transfundiert wird? Blut ist viel komplexer aufgebaut als Stuhl!
Therefore transfusion - no thanks!!!!
I was always clear with the blood transfusion, one accepts so synonymous with an absolutely strange immune system with all his experiences of baby. With one or more foreign immune systems in the body, the body is mixed. Cancer is naturally much more rapid, because a good immune system protects u.a. Also against cancer. According to a medical practitioner, according to his experience, Clark can not help any more because the foreign immune system blocks the healing. But I also personally know people who have received a transfusion and suddenly showed serious personality changes! Is this possible? Does blood, this particular juice, in the end also emotions, feelings and experiences that one has made in life? What perversion would be blood transfusions in reality? The doctors are fortunate to see this mistake. Above all, it should be considered that even if chair transplants of overweight people in previously slim people overweight triggers, what happens only when blood transfundiert? Blood is much more complex -
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Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal
by OrphanCrow inthe supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
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The Russian branch from the sky and Good bye St.Petersburg beach.
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Hospital refuses surgery on JW patient - Switzerland
by TheWonderofYou inswitzerland - .
jw files a suit because his surgery was refused!
supreme court decides against jw.. in the present case, the dilemma to which the hospital refers is not at all.
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Jws, wt are not a "race" because there are not enough of them. so no racial discrimination in the refusal case.
How they advocate "coercion" and "racial discrimination" sucks. However in Switzerland there is only one law for all discrimination.
https://www.humanrights.ch/de/menschenrechte-themen/rassismus/schweiz/gesetze/antirassismus-strafnorm
Swiss law about racial discrimination (including JW), Article 261
racial discrimination
Anyone who publicly raises hatred or discrimination against a person or a group of persons because of their race, ethnicity or religion,
Who publicly disseminates ideologies aimed at systematically reducing or defaming the members of a race, ethnicity or religion,
Who, with the same aim, organizes, promotes or participates in propaganda campaigns,
Any person who publicly discriminates against, or discriminates against, a person or a group of persons for any breach, ethnicity, or religion in a manner which is contrary to human dignity, or for any genocide or other crimes committed against him by word, Which denies humanity, is grossly degraded or justified,Who is refused a service offered by him, which is intended for the community, to a person or a group of persons because of their race, ethnicity or religion,
Will be punished with imprisonment for up to three years or a fine.
Disturbance of religious and religious freedom
Those who publicly and in a vulgar way disguised or mocked the conviction of others in matters of faith, in particular the belief in God, or misconstrued objects of religious worship,
Who maliciously prevents, disrupts, or publicly mocks a constitutionally guaranteed cultic act,
Who maliciously disguised a place or object destined for a constitutionally guaranteed cult or for such a cultic act,
Will be punished with a fine of up to 180 days.
Will be punished with imprisonment for up to three years or a fine.
If we respect them, they take the liberty to justify unsocial behavior. The doctor has not "PUBLICLY DISCRIMINATED" any JW by refusal of a surgery! Dare you to persecute such a little poor cultic minority. You should rather protect any cult and form of oddball cultic rules like disfellowshipment, child sacrifice to the bloodless medicine, pregnant women dying without blood transfusions in the operating theatre and pay for all social and health consequences of cult victims.
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Interview with JW representative about blood issue
by TheWonderofYou inhttp://www.wn.de/muensterland/kreis-steinfurt/greven/2861356-zeugen-jehovas-im-gespraech-die-bibel-ist-der-massstab.
the prohibition of blood transfusion also applies to children, there are court judgments that have forced treatment.. stemmler: when children are sick, the situation is particularly stressful.
i am glad that this has never met me with my boys.
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http://www.wn.de/Muensterland/Kreis-Steinfurt/Greven/2861356-Zeugen-Jehovas-im-Gespraech-Die-Bibel-ist-der-Massstab
The prohibition of blood transfusion also applies to children, there are court judgments that have forced treatment.
Stemmler: When children are sick, the situation is particularly stressful. I am glad that this has never met me with my boys. Nevertheless, the Bible is the standard of our actions.
a major complaint from the critics of your religious community concerns the prohibition of accepting blood transfusions. How do you stand?
Stemmler: The basis for this are two bibliographies in the Old Testament and one in the Apostelgeschichte, where it is required to abstain from blood. This obliges us. But it does not mean that we are not allowed to be operated on, for example, or against organ transplantation. There are very good alternatives to blood transfusions. Many doctors who are not part of Jehovah's Witnesses are investigating this, and we have a special hospital liasion committee, which is very carefully observing these researches.After 2017 JW achieved in NRW the legal status of an accredited statutory corporation - "no cult any longer - yahooooo" an interview about JW blood standpoint is urgent.
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Hospital refuses surgery on JW patient - Switzerland
by TheWonderofYou inswitzerland - .
jw files a suit because his surgery was refused!
supreme court decides against jw.. in the present case, the dilemma to which the hospital refers is not at all.
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JW files a suit because his surgery was refused! Supreme Court decides against JW.
In the present case, the dilemma to which the hospital refers is not at all. For the routine operation, which does without transfusion, his client had agreed. The possibility of transfusion in an emergency did not even have to be considered, said the Jehovah's Witness before the Supreme Court of Bern. After all, it was a small, routine operation.
The supreme court, on the other hand, argued that such a risk was not simply negligible. The hospital management may also refuse treatment. This is not only a matter for the executive doctor. An operation is always a team performance.http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/Spital-verweigert-OP---Zeuge-Jehovas-klagt-11728833
Austria
http://www.heute.at/welt/news/story/Krankenhaus-verweigert-OP---Zeuge-Jehovas-klagt-50613305
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Illogical illustration of “the rich man and the poor man Lazarus” (Luke 16:19-31)
by venus inillustration of the rich man and the poor man lazarus indirectly hints that the materially rich would go to hell and the poor ones to heaven.
if one reads between the lines, one can discern that this illustration is a later adoption intended to exploit the rich using the poor as a means.. i have friends who are extremely rich (net-worth in billions) and also who are materially very poor, and have found both are living in hell because of their attitude.
the excess the rich have prevents them from enjoying it (and even the affluent find a huge gap between income and desires, hence find themselves often in conflict and competition) and whereas the deprived compare themselves with the haves which prevents them also from enjoying their lives.. jesus would not provide an illustration that undermines his own most favored statement: “happy are those poor in spirit because kingdom of heavens belongs to them” (mathew 5:3) and his own explanation that heaven is the condition of one’s heart (luke 17:21) obviously he had in mind those who do not have the baggage of attachment and sense of possession, those few people of simplicity that belong to both the categories—the rich and the poor. simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, a stage where every possession serves a purpose living a life that is deliberate and intentional (not one that someone else has scripted for them) and wanting to feel more complete (not more objects of the world), at ease.
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If a teacher comes from heaven, and leaves behind something for anyone to interpret in any way each one likes, what is the purpose of communication?
Hi venus, The purpose of communication in form of parables and examplary stories are manifold.
Firstly these examplary stories are Luke's view and loupe, they are his interpretation and way of passing down "Jesus sayings" and tradition.
Secondly literary and culturial spoken such examplary stories are not an attempt to claim a divine doctrinal advice but they fulfilled in jewish society several purposes e.g. teaching a moral or poetry. Exemplary stories belonged to the jewish genre of literature called Aggada.
Therefore to draw any doctrinal conclusion of such stories or personification of the rich as the pharasee or the todays religious leaders is not wise, a foolishness that the faithful slave is fully into.
- as a firehell for the rich or the relgiious leaders or
- a final reconcialation for all or
- the condemnation of all rich religious leaders or non followers of Christ
This would certainly go beyond the moral of this little short story about mercy. It turns only around mercy and the politics of the "closed doors" for others, but not about a class of pharasees. The reader shall identify itself with the rich man, what for a rich man might indeed be a little scary, with the images that are used.
Thirdly such stories are good lession or tool kit even today to teach how illustrations can be used to manipulate people, hopefully to the good account.
We should not overvalue them because they are only stories, which however give a good impression about how early christians interpreted scripture.
The story of the Rich man criticizes examplarily a particular behavior and calls accordingly for a behavioral change in the listener and reader. In most cases the examplary story is an openly formulated answer to a concrete question and is therefore to be understood as an example. This type of examplary stories is found only in Luke 10:30-37 (The Good Samaritan), 12.16-21 (The Rich Fool / Grainfarmer), 16:19-31 (The rich man and poor Lazarus) and 18.9-14 (Pharisees and tax collector). https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichnis
Jesus usage of such stories was not extraordinarily at all. It was the "up-to-date illustration" tool kit of rabbis at his time.
This genre of literature included ethical and moral teaching, theological speculation, legends, folklore, poetry, prayers, historical information, interpreting of dreams, and expressions of messianic faith and longings. Aggadic literature, though instructive, did not contain legally binding theological and doctrinal dictums. Aggadic literarture is to be contrasted with the legally binding halachic literature of the same period. Aggadic literature made use of parable, satire, metaphor, personification, and poetry. Aggadah was not systematic philosophy, but dealt in its own way with basic theological and moral problems. The purpose of aggadic literature was not to convey point-by-point doctrinal truths, but to teach a moral.
https://hoshanarabbah.org/blog/2015/01/31/lazarus-and-rich-man/
The Talmudic and Midrashic texts known as Aggadah are the stories, folklore, historical anecdotes, moral exhortations, and practical advice, words of inspiration, and most importantly, Jewish wisdom on how to best live our life in the service of God.
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Illogical illustration of “the rich man and the poor man Lazarus” (Luke 16:19-31)
by venus inillustration of the rich man and the poor man lazarus indirectly hints that the materially rich would go to hell and the poor ones to heaven.
if one reads between the lines, one can discern that this illustration is a later adoption intended to exploit the rich using the poor as a means.. i have friends who are extremely rich (net-worth in billions) and also who are materially very poor, and have found both are living in hell because of their attitude.
the excess the rich have prevents them from enjoying it (and even the affluent find a huge gap between income and desires, hence find themselves often in conflict and competition) and whereas the deprived compare themselves with the haves which prevents them also from enjoying their lives.. jesus would not provide an illustration that undermines his own most favored statement: “happy are those poor in spirit because kingdom of heavens belongs to them” (mathew 5:3) and his own explanation that heaven is the condition of one’s heart (luke 17:21) obviously he had in mind those who do not have the baggage of attachment and sense of possession, those few people of simplicity that belong to both the categories—the rich and the poor. simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, a stage where every possession serves a purpose living a life that is deliberate and intentional (not one that someone else has scripted for them) and wanting to feel more complete (not more objects of the world), at ease.
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Vanderhoven7: Everyone in Jesus' audience understood
I am wondering - perhaps this has been already mentioned by others - why the writer of Luke when he composed his gospel he comes up with this exemplary story.
I wondering if he used it because of the interesting original setting in a conversation with pharases or because of a more general benefit for Luke's audience who were the educated pagans and the jewish-christians. He who was worked so accurate and made use of confident written sources, why did he insert this examplary story about a rich man in his text?
A pagan audience would not have been aware of inner-jewish terms or interested however in the inner-jewish dispute between pharasees and rabbi Jesus and for it also the satirical value of the story and Jesus rethoric ability to mimik their teachings in the original setting might have been of little value, at least it would have been no easy stuff.
Although all other gospelwirters forgot about this story of the rich man, Luke didnt want to be this little story to be forgotten. He thought it would be interesting for his 2nd generation community and even for non-jewish people.
Now indeed it would be exciting to know what was his idea about this story,
- was he excited of Jesus as satiric and did he want to present Jesus as great rethoric?
- was he only acccurate and didnt want to forget this little story?
- did Luke use the story as exemplary story to show that God doesn like hypocracy?
- was it because Luke generally liked to enjoin one not to forget the poor?
Something in this story must be special that Luke decided to pass it on. Certainly the original setting might be very important to understand, the correct understanding of the terms just as well, but because the scenery is fictionary to which action does the story stimulate us then?
Perhaps Luke had a certain Lazarus in mind when he took up this story in the gospel, as a doctor he was certainly interested in such gruesome treated poor people, treated as unclean and anyway helpless, people who were "refugees" in their own country, whom dogs licked their sores, because they could not move from the place, where they were deposited.
Did Luke leave the story over for us to interprete it?