Posts by TheWonderofYou

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THEY act like the ones who are hurt??!!

by stuckinarut2 in

it really amazes me when jws act like we are hurting them!.

many of us have found that if we stop associating with them for valid reasons, they act all upset and hurt that we would be "so cruel as to limit our association or cut them off".

i know of friends here on the forum who have been told by parents that they "will shun them if they leave jehovah" , and yet when the shoe is on the other foot and our awake friends shun them first, the parents cry and bemoan the situation and say how "cruel it is to deprive them of their company".

TheWonderofYou

They are just imitating the bible story of the "Prodigal Son"/"Lost Son" in a certain- strange - kind. This story has been countless times basis of "biblical dramatisiations" at conventions where a grown up JW child "LEAVES" the family /the faith (the father in the story) and gets into troubles in he world outside the family. These children are seen as lost or dead. After the son aka the erring and wandering child gambles the family heritage or business by having "worldly friends" or "businesspartners" the mentally shattered RENEGADE finally "RETURNS" to his family /the father aka congregation +Jehovah after he understands that he lived much better before in the family. Only then after coming back the child gets forgiveness.

Its always the Son who leaves and who has to return to the father. And forgivness is only possible after returning. So simple bible principle, it seems.

But now the single POINT of failure in this dramatisations.

In the parable the father forgives the son before the son even tells him about a repentance.

I: FORGIVENESS V.20 “But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
2. REPENTANCE. 21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

This is how God is portrayed by Jesus.

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This is a Mormon interpretation of the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_QCQ5i7NKs

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...'special'.. televised talk today.

by zeb in

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friends

29th april.. anyone have a lead on the ..'special'.. talk that my wife et al has to travel miles to hear/see?

just so i can be advised.. thanks..

TheWonderofYou

Robert Ciranko is current President of WTBTS. (Secretly elected 15 Sep 2014)

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End of biblical generation.

by asp59 in

this organization use god's name.

when puting god's name they accepted some things.

to complete the preaching work.

TheWonderofYou

"to complete the preaching work"

Today I had an encounter with a former elder now his 70is. I said hello and wished him good street service. We shaped hands .. but then

The sudden reply: "You know that for you there isn't much time left now?"

Me; "I think it can last eben longer"...

"You know what the bible says is coming next. That whenever yhey say peace..."

Me "Um not sure now Kim even is good friend with Trump..."

"The bible is always true...You have only few time now.....

"Okay I have to go now my parking ticket runs out.. good buy.."

He is standing now there when the weather is warmer each Saturday. He had about 15 awake in his hand in old manner. A really unusual number of them, a thick burdensome bundle ....

To Complete unto me his Preaching Work. IS this the loving call for coming back?🦊

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JW's - Are you in a "THEOCRATIC arrangement" or an AUTOCRATIC one?

by The Fall Guy in

i now know which system i was under!.

theocratic/theocracy: a system of government in which priests rule in the name of god or a god.

(oxford dictionary).

TheWonderofYou

This arrangement has indeed also totalitarian traits. While the theocratic and autocratic both are dictatorships, the total-itariN wants to "change the person" into a new person.

Totalitarian domination unlike an authoritarian dictatorship, strives to work into all social conditions, (aka micromanaging a publishers life) often linked to the claim to form a "new man" according to a certain ideology (according new insight).

While an authoritarian dictatorship seeks to uphold the status quo, a totalitarian dictatorship requires the ruled to play a most active role in the life of the state or Org, (permanent work) as well as its further development in a direction dictated by its ideology.

Thus typical are the permanent mobilization in mass organizations (shunning. Hate speech consequences for mishbhavior) and the exclusion up to the killing of those who actually or possibly oppose the total claims to power. (Excommunication ,Stoning Armageddon) The political counter-model to totalitarianism is the democratic-liberal, material state governed by the rule of law, with freedom of citizens guaranteed by fundamental rights, the separation of powers and the constitution.

Mostly both National Socialism and Stalinism are classified as prototypes of totalitarian regimes.

While this comparision might be inapropriate these little similarity to fascist and politicsl misuse of power and misuse of power in cults or regimes and the total-itarian dependency and obidience urged should be alarming.

It's that what is between total and totalitarian.

From a cult you can seemingly escape but hardly not from a regime.

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Laura and Lorenz Reibling starting Family Foundation

by TheWonderofYou in

http://reiblingfoundation.org/press/.

reilings's foundation active in supporting certain project .

- holocaust education, boston university, film festivial about concentration camps and persecution of jw in wwii,.

TheWonderofYou

3 years ago

JW holocaust survivor Hermine Liska and biblestudent with projectleader and Prof. Reibling

I very much like such projects with survivors.

https://www.tips.at/news/niederwaldkirchen/land-leute/329533-holocaust-projekt-muehlviertler-beeindruckte-an-amerikas-elite-universitaeten

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Laura and Lorenz Reibling starting Family Foundation

by TheWonderofYou in

http://reiblingfoundation.org/press/.

reilings's foundation active in supporting certain project .

- holocaust education, boston university, film festivial about concentration camps and persecution of jw in wwii,.

TheWonderofYou

Lorenz Reibling update... He is a wonderful person I am only mentioning him because he is very much supporting Jehovahs witnesses and helping in Nepal.

Lorenz invited Jehovahs witnesses from Selters to speak at the Holocaust Symposium

April 18, 2018

I dont agree, about that. historians habe much said about the biblestudents. This could hide the acutal problems.

Jehovahs witness were persecuted and brother Lorenz speaks about it. Courageous.

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

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in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

In 2009 a JW a lawyer for JW Dr Kohldorfer avtive for Austrian JW at the European Court of Human Rights together with other legal officer of jw held a press conference regarding to the official new status.

://www.google.at/amp/s/www.ots.at/amp/pr/OTS_20090507_OTS0293/

This took place in the fomer bethel Vienna 2009 which short *when* soon after the legal upgrading up to a state religion was sadly sold and monex transfered either to selters or new york .

I wonder how the upgrade had influenced this step. And why. Imagine an little cult upgrades to a state religion 2009/2010 being proudl of having a wonderful bethel in the capital - but short after the cult gets a religion it sells of the headquarter which would be a good prestige for a religion to have and decided now to reside in a little loft in a dirty street. Why? Did the Austrian brothers show humility and when they upgrades they downgraded in Selters spiritually meant?

At the former bethel addres an company was founded... a project debelopment agency who is since 2010 in liquidatio

nhttps://www.kompany.at/p/at/364616a

So short after the waters dried out in Vienna, the bethel habitants were sent home, instead of a bethel the architects who where happy with JW leaving the town planned to build new houses for people then living not with a dream of paradiese but really "stylish" in this world.The former bethel area is now a part of a greater project that includes neighbour property. In a prestige region of the town but with sound prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKfNhtwZoY

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

Text lightly changed:

Austrias_JW have an own "embossed seal decree", they are legally allowed herewith to use an embossed seal on documents and certificates. It has to be used together with blue ink!. Might be that JW dont like online-communcation and Internet so much because it is not secure for their communcation in Austria or that JW would like to introduce the monarchial constitutional hierarchy again ;_)

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Siegelordnung.pdf

It seems the Austrian law of JW is a mastermind for the worldwide organisation.

You have to consider that Gerrit Loesch is not only GB member and head of legal affairs of JW ("LAWS!! and "denying Watchtower reader" who does not report to it but sits with the Watchtowerpresident in the coffeehouse having a white cofffee is himself an Austrian and he 100%certainly very well knows the Austrian constitutional rights of JW and studies them as much as the Watchtower what he denies.

Therefore you should also know the Austrian constituion of JW as much and as good as he himself knowns it. He is the chief of the troop. Imagine how they drink in Warwick together a coffee, the Austrian GB troop leader, who denies the Watchtower and the top JW lawyer of Warwick, who studied law inadvertantly but with affection to his masters and proposed to Loesh to deny in writing the contact to the watchtower and how they phone to the Austrian laywer and inform about the situation there because it is much better in Austria than with them.

He has certainly had contact or phoned with the JW-top lawyer who lives in Austria and is well known for being experts in religious minorities and who published official law commentaries. Imagine how the talk about the denying responsibily for the false blood policy. What was the name of this lawyer quickly?

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

Crphan Crow: "discuss estate planning".

Dear Crow, a little bit of information about estate planning instead of holiday planning in the pension....

The official journal of the religion JW in Austria published 2010 a new constituion for the new state religion.

The JW laywers (the JW layer is one of the best laywers in religious law in Austria) worked out the JW constitution for the state.

In paragraph 14 how the contributions are handled in Austria.

First the constitution according to § 13 says that baptism and affiliation to a local congregation are both premises for the membership in the religious association.
Secondly regarding the funds the JW constituiton reads that the society usually ACCEPTS [not encashes] donations and other grants in cash or asset value as well as heritage and legacy, which it receives to promote its goals and uses how it seems utile to her to fulfill the goals of this constitution.
Further in case that grants or heritages are not clearly classable to be given to a certain division or institution, the religious SOCIETY is presumed to be preconceived.
The [foreign] governing body monitors [the Austrian] directors and the disposition of the funds annually.[and however does not report voluntarily about its findings and is of course not oblidged to do so]]
Should the case occur that the funds are not sufficient enough to guarantee financiation of the religious society the branch office is allowed to stipulate temporarily or permanently a contribution and ist allowed to determine the regulations for such a contribution.
https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Jahrgang_2010__Nr.1.pdf

This already the actual constitutional law in Austria. It is awaited that the JW have to guarantee their own financiation.

This is the link with all offical journals of the religion since 2010. This is the constitution.

Under LAW ("RECHT") you find all official journals and all decrees.

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/Recht.41.0.html

- Decree- constitution

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Verfassung.pdf

Here you find also a special "investment management law" for JW in Austria

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Verm%C3%B6gensverwaltungsgesetz.pdf

or a

"Accident prevention law" for JW in Austria

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Unfallverh%C3%BCtungsgesetz.pdf

It seems the Austrian law of JW is a mastermind for the worldwide organisation.

Now let us wait for the certainly on 25th of May coming Austrian GDPR reacting to the "EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR") that applies with 25th of May.

Austrias_JW have an own "seal decree", they are legally allowed herewith to use an embossed seal on documents. It has to be used to gether with blue ink!. For documnts and certificates. (So the online-communcation is not so secure in Austria. There JW would like to introduce the monarchial constitutional hierarchy again ;_)

https://www.jehovas-zeugen.at/uploads/media/Siegelordnung.pdf

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How registering as a JW in Germany benefits the WT/Org

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

in some european countries, "church tax" is levied against members of certain religions.

how each country handles this differs depending on each country's tax laws.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/church_tax.

in germany, a member of a religion that has "public law" status pays an additional 8 or 9 percent on their tax assessments.

TheWonderofYou

LogHairGal wrote: But, at least other religions give a benefit to their community!

Here you have the statement of accounts (voluntariy annual audit) of the archdiocese Vienna Austria for 2016 about usage of church tax contributions. Such contributions are e.g. used by the church to finance own church order hospitals who are working with less cost then state public hospitals = support of the community. The order hospitals want to increase help for the town Vienna. The church hospitals number at the moment 131,000 stationary patients.

Characteristic for the religious hospitals is the combination of private sponsorship by religious orders or foundations and a non-profit commission. "So, we have a public service mandate and public-sector support to deliver high-quality health services, a high level of modernization and innovation, and create high patient satisfaction - and that's a very attractive area," Greher continued , Unlike for profit-oriented private and medical hospitals, "every euro" remains in the company and benefits patients.
This is indeed supporting the community. What a tight religious community with "christian" in the name should do!
(Charakteristisch sei für die Ordenskrankenhäuser die Kombination von privater Trägerschaft durch Ordensgemeinschaften oder Stiftungen und einem gemeinnützigen Versorgungsauftrag. "Wir haben also einen öffentlichen Versorgungsauftrag und werden von der öffentlichen Hand unterstützt. Dafür bieten wir Gesundheitsleistungen in sehr guter Qualität, ein hohes Ausmaß an Modernisierung und Innovation, und schaffen eine hohe Patientenzufriedenheit - und das zu einem ausgesprochen attraktiven Bereich", erläuterte Greher weiter. Anders als bei gewinnorientierten Privat- und Belegsspitälern verbleibe bei den Ordenskrankenhäusern "jeder Euro" im Unternehmen und komme Patienten zu Gute.)

https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/site/home/nachrichten/article/64070.html

Further 0,9 % is used for develpment countries.. A closer look would be interesting. Such an information JW dont get.

1. member contributions total 2016: EUR 102,017 K
2. state reparation payments for church: EUR 10,401 K
3. rental income EUR 7,185 K
4. income from church activity EUR 3,228 K
5. subventions and grants EUR 4,237 K
= total income

As told the disposition of funds shows that

Disposition of funds 2016
50 % goes to the parishes (67,000 K €)
18 % for pastoral care
10 % education, culture and art
2,3 % social & cariative agenda
0,9 % to worldchurch & Development aid

For how many member is this. In the diocese Vienna (not only the town but also large surrounding vicarates and curates and decanates) live 1,2 Mio catolics.

Area: 9.100 km²
catolics: Katholik/inn/en: 1,2 Mio.

housholds: Haushalte: ca. 700.000

decanats: Dekanate: 54
parishesPfarren: ca. 657
church buildings: Kirchliche Gebäude: ca. 1.600
Priests: about ca. 1.000
Deacons: ca. 170

Hauptamtliche Mitarbeiter/inn/en (Vollzeit): 1.700
Pfarrgemeinderätinnen/-räte: ca. 4.600
Größte Pfarre: Wien-Aspern (12.304 Katholik/inn/en)
Kleinste Pfarre: Grafensulz (94 Katholik/inn/en)
Älteste Kirche: Ruprechtskirche, Wien
Größte Kirche: Stephansdom

https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/dl/rmskJKJLNlllJqx4LJK/EDW_Rechenschaftsbericht_2016_WEB.pdf

BTW: I wonder why is the google translated english text really always only half so long than the German original text?