Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Jehovah's Terrorist?

by TerryWalstrom in

jehovah’s terrorist?.

(a personal memoir).

john f. kennedy's brother, robert (bobby) was assassinated in 1968 shortly after he won the california democratic presidential primary.

TheWonderofYou

New Headers: There was another shooter.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/28/justice/california-rfk-second-gun/index.html

Schrade an other victim of Sirhan said during the 15th parole hearing that it was his fault that Sirhan is not free yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/11/robert-f-kennedys-killer-loses-15th-parole-bid-as-witness-says-its-my-fault

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/10/this-kennedy-confidant-has-spent-decades-calling-for-the-release-of-rfks-killer/?utm_term=.c45ada297465

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Sirhan Sirhan was of course radicalized His father threatened America with bloody revenge. In the little Israel-occupied jordanian town Taibeh he prophecied: "Americans will yet more often cry, once, twice, threetimes, fourtimes".

[Der Spiegel 18/1969]

Sirhan himself said:

A motive cited for his actions is the Middle East conflict.[16] After his arrest, Sirhan said, "I can explain it. I did it for my country."[16]Sirhan believed that he was deliberately betrayed by Kennedy's support for Israel in the June 1967 Six-Day War,[25] which had begun exactly one year to the day before the assassination. During a search of Sirhan's apartment after his arrest, a spiral-bound notebook was found containing a diary entry which demonstrated that his anger had gradually fixated on Robert Kennedy, who had promised to send 50 fighter jets to Israel if he were elected president. Sirhan's journal entry of May 18, 1968, read: "My determination to eliminate R.F.K. is becoming the more and more of an unshakable obsession...Kennedy must die before June 5th".[12][16] They found other notebooks and diary entries which contained his growing rage at Zionists, particularly at Kennedy; his journals also contained many nonsensical scribbles, which were thought to be his version of "free writing". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan

Later in prison, Sirhan claimed that he was drunk. An interview with Sirhan in 1980 revealed new claims that a combination of liquor and anger over the anniversary of the 1967 Arab-Israeli war triggered his actions the night when he assassinated RFK. "You must remember the circumstances of that night, June 5. That was when I was provoked," Sirhan says, recorded in a transcript of one of his interviews with Mehdi, later president of the New York-based American-Arab Relations Committee. "That is when I initially went to observe the Jewish Zionist parade in celebration of the June 5, 1967, victory over the Arabs. That was the catalyst that triggered me on that night." Then Sirhan said, "In addition, there was the consumption of the liquor, and I want the public to understand that..."

Then we have yet the story with the woman with whom he was in the hotel and who had hynotized him.

Maybe sirhan was but though exploited by someone else who hated the Kennedy's, if witnesses say that there was another shooter and Sirhans frontal bullets did not kill Kennedy.

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

TheWonderofYou

Interesting discussion.

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Need some help: Existential crisis in full swing

by Freeandclear in

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so is anyone else having an existential crisis after becoming fully awake?

let me explain.

about 2 years ago i read coc, still believed and tried to get back in da troof.

TheWonderofYou

Hi, what concerns me, I concentrated to stay with my partner, because it was difficult for me to stay alone and I began to work fulltime again, then there were a new appartment, many distractions.

I dont remember if I thought so much about the new freedom and clearity like you, in the beginning I was not really free and even today I like to hum the kingdom melodies sometimes. It raises sometimes. With the new freedom and clearity should be principially everything possible.

You will find out what are your "trooths" in your life, what is a value for you, and than reinvent your life and do what is good for you, i wish this for you. Perhaps you like to visit your grandpa or uncle, or paint your rooms for the begin.

You will find new friends or nice people if you give something of yourself, help others and you will find recognition and meaning.

Think of how many millions are not believing in a god at all and are happy though because they love and live a meaningful life. As you know, even those dont believe in a personal god can be good people because they like to watch the sunset or sunrise with awefulness and because they hold to some values like honor, responsibilty, loyalty, mercy and love.

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My 1,000th Post! =)

by Divergent in

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after 2 years on the forum, i've finally reached my 1,000th post!.

post #1,000 is dedicated to everyone who i have communicated with & the friends i've made here.

also, to simon who is the reason why we are all here in the first place - thank you for your hard work in making this site what it is.

TheWonderofYou

Gratulations for your MILLENIUM!

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Ever-changing teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses - probably the most comprehensive compendium about Watchtower doctrinal changes

by WTS Archive in

two days ago a new book was released for download, called "ever-changing teachings of jehovah's witnesses".

it was originally written by a polish jw scholar (who never was a jw himself) włodzimierz bednarski, with a help from szymon matusiak, who was a jw and an elder, and is a result of years of labourious work to compile quotes regarding every single doctrine the book describes.

it covers the most important changes in years 1879—2015.

TheWonderofYou

"This society never solicits donations!"

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

TheWonderofYou

Modern was also the idea that we JW agreed to Jesus statement, that the whole law was summarized in 2 commandements, you know. These two commandements were the sense of the whole law. And what Jesus taught was nothing else than the common rabbinic interpretation of the law, they always looked for the sense. The man was the center of the law not blind obidience. So i thought that JW were modern but I ignored that they interpreted the prohibition on blood literally.

But isnt blood the means of atonement? No blood itself is not the means of atonement.

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Think for Yourself: Reform Judaism Uses JW Blood Issue For Shavuot

by David_Jay in

as the jewish holy day of shavuot (pentecost) begins this weekend, the reform judaism site publishes an interesting article entitled "judaism teaches: question authority, think for yourself.".

the article employs a jewish doctor's recollection of a jw patient who refused blood and died as an example of how both religious traditions greatly differ on how they see and apply god's law.. shavuot is the day jews recall god's giving the law to israel.

the article is significant in that it demonstrates how jews see the giving of the law as a call to questioning authority, including divine revelation itself whereas the death of the jw patient is contrasted as a slavish interpretation that misses the point behind jewish scripture.. for more see the article at:.

TheWonderofYou

When I was a witness I was happy to read that "true christians" are not under the ten commandments and the other "laws". I looked down on all the "imitating christians"," the christianity", the "alleged christians" and Jews who believe they have to follow the ten commandments and to the adventists who thought that the Sabbath has to be observed.

How MODERN Jehovahs Witnessses teachings were in contrary! They did not hold to such old ideas, i thought, as yes, WE are only under the "law of christ".

This is from the paradise book, "Are we under the ten commandments".

And as for the Sabbath I liked how SPIRITUALLY we interpreted the law of the sabbath.

...and how oldfashioned the Adventits and Jews looked like. We as Jehovahs witnesses look behind the old Laws and adopt the spiritual sense, we were allowed to LEARN SOMETHING from the laws, i thought, to ask for the sense of the laws and to find the value for us.

Whereas in the case of the central law about the sabbath we were allowed to learn something of the law because we were imitating Jesus and so happily must not stop working on sabbath, we funnilly enough were not allowed to LEARN SOMETHING from any other important laws, but should read them literally.

But of course I ignored that in those other cases and liked to stay in the " How better we are than catolics and jews"-mode.

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Instead of asking for the meaning of the prohibition of blood when in the noachidic law eating of flesh was allowed, and to find out that it could be a ban on eating living (with blood in it) parts the animal and a warning against brutallity against animals, I accepted the misinterpretation that blood would be something "untouchable" per se. Later I found out that blood was only mentioned in the genesis because it was understood as seat of life back than. Through the whole jewish history the noachidic commandements, here the ban on "living parts of the animal" was seen as an ethical code for all mankind and for non-Jews seen as possibility to be part of the coming world. Blood by itself was not forbidden for non-Jews according to the noachidic commandments for Bnei Noach, the children of Noah only the eating of living parts of the animal.

At shavuot Jews celecrate the Thora, the law, what means guidance, Jesus celecrated this festival too.

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DOOM and LUXURY : the Watchtower Elite prepares for the GREAT TRIBULATION

by TerryWalstrom in

boondoggles and preppers watchtower style!

a religion of doom and luxury!.

in 1866, the times of london wrote:.

TheWonderofYou

What a luxury to ride a bike and write. :wink:

I hope you use a helmet to protect your brain ....not for the great tribulation for that certainly not

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The Man Who Interviewed the Apostles

by TerryWalstrom in

meet papias.

if you had lived in the time of the living apostles of jesus would you have personally investigated stories about.

or, would you simply read whatever was written instead?.

TheWonderofYou

opusdei 1972
For instance, Papias said that Matthew wrote in Hebrew language a collection of sayings. This seemed to be the Gospel used by Nazarenes and Hebionites, who were christians that rejected the divinity of Jesus, regarding him only as the Messiah. Nevertheless, Jerome, an "orthodox" church father at the end of the fourth century wrote that most christians believed that that Gospel used by these sects was the original one written by Matthew. And if you read Jerome's and Eusebius' quotations from that Gospel you will notice that many statements differ from that of the greek version of Matthew's Gospel. So it means that many christians of the fourth century were not convinced of the authenticity of greek version of the Matthew's Gospel that we currently have.

I thought that this is already an accepted fact anyway, namely that Matthew was written originally in aramaic or hebrew.

Theologian Pope Benedict mentioned for instance Papia's testimony for Matthew on 30th Aug, 2006

"Finally, it should be recalled that the tradition of the early church unanimously Matthew ascribes authorship of the first Gospel. This is already happening by Papias, who was Bishop of Hierapolis in Phrygia about the year 130. He writes: "Matthew has compiled the speeches in Hebrew; everyone interpreted them as best he could "(in Eusebius of Caesarea, Ecclesiastical History, III, 39). The historian Eusebius adds: "Matthew, who had first preached among the Hebrews, wrote when he wanted to go also to the other nations his gospel in his native language; because he sought whom he left to replace by Scripture what they lost with his departure "(ibid., III, 24).

We have the Gospel written by Matthew in Hebrew or Aramaic no longer, but in the Greek Gospel that we have, we as it were listening the compelling voice of the Matthew who, became the apostle so continues this saving mercy of God to proclaim. Let us listen to this message of St.. Matthew, we always think back about it, so that we learn to stand up and follow Jesus with determination.
[the text is on basis of goole translation and not edited perfectly]

Whether later redaction in greek or second took place, a second, third redaction, hat changed matthews theology and doesnt fit into his concepts and whether new concepts were later added are interesting field of research.

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Major fail on last convention video

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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as noted on reddit,.

the last convention video,.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43eygztxl4plagiarized the sound from this album:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2udtlqwtjd4 .

TheWonderofYou

Buying music for convention trailers and not allowing the joung ones to make a career in music at the same convention is a DUPLICITY of first rate.

I vote for more life music in halls and on conventions and for WT-certificates and grades in applied studies of art.