The question was asked 7 days ago, when this video would disappear, So thats the answer, wow.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5654347138465792/how-long-before-this-video-disappears
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Removed from JW.org: Interview w/Jared Kushner
by wifibandit inin an earlier reddit post we discussed the possible role that watchtower business associate and trump son-in-law may play in a trump white house; and if that meant that wt may have a friend with the president-elect's ear.. now, thanks to a tip from /u/jpentrak, i've been alerted to the fact that watchtower has removed the video news update: jehovah’s witnesses moving forward.
this video featured jared kushner speaking in glowing terms about wt personnel and how well maintained the buildings were by the organisation.. despite claims in this same video that "we're not trapped in time" by watchtower spokesman david a. semonian, clearly they don't know that the internet never forgets.. here is the url of the removed page:.
https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/united-states/video-jehovahs-witnesses-sale-brooklyn-move/ .
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Jesus in the old testament
by Steel inabout two years ago i was challenged by a householder to do the research on the subject.
of course thinking it was all bunk i decided to take a look off the reservation.
much to my surprise a lot of started to make sense and i started to understand the connections between the old and new testament .
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The figure of speach "seated at the right hand of God" appears elsewhere also as "seated at the right hand of the father". In jewish ears this was the most possible and imaginable and coralgem immediate form of nearness to God. Early christian found as reported in Acts 2:32-36 that Psalm 110,1 where God allows a lord to be seated next to him had been fulfilled in Jesus.
Therefore the bible writes that Jesus confessed before the highest jewish court, that he was the Son of man who would be seated at the right hand of God. That confession brought him the allgegation of blasphemie. Cause who sits right to God participates in his kingdom and might. Like an ancient grand vizier took place at the right side of a great king and was introduced to the practise of government affairs. It turns around enthronement and godlike authority, whereby it cannot be used to count the numbers of the heads of the Godhead.Example: Trump is seated at the right side of Obama (when he gives an interviews e.g.)
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"Are Jehovah’s Witnesses free to make informed decisions about blood transfusions?" - Canadian article
by OrphanCrow inthis is an excellent article written by 3 faculty members in the cumming school of medicine, university of calgary - juliet guichon, ian mitchell and christopher doig.. http://healthydebate.ca/opinions/blood-transfusions-jehovahs-witnesses#comment-2866324.
it is encouraging to know that the voices that have been raised against the blood ban are being heard.
the work that so many people have done is now bearing fruit.. in 20th century canada, jehovah’s witnesses were persecuted for their proselytizing and wartime pacifism.
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I think a free decision under supervision of a watchdog is not possible.
A "blood education" should happen under an "neutral", "uninfluenced" environment.
Such an uninfluenced counsel could be legally stipulated. So the "patient" could come to a broader understanding and find a more moderate view of the matter.
Certainly its not a inicidentally that the latest November 2016 broadcast of j w t v features Canadas famous legal victories with the trial of Bucher. (charge of seditious libel for distributing pamphlets) (starts with 46:00) This is certainly because of the large publicity in Canada about people dying avoiding blood transfusions
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The moon
by zeb inyes take a look at the moon after 1930h 14th nov. it is the closest the moon is to earth in many years.
wont be this close for many years more.. use any telescope or binoculars.. wowee..
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-K1FEkqn8RUOEFndGl3bXdpZU0/view?usp=sharing
Taken some minutes ago without professional objective.
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Why blame the Watchtower?
by deegee inif god has a relationship with every christian and every christian is praying to him then wouldn't he tell every christian the same thing so that christians would agree on matters of doctrine and practice?.
it is certainly puzzling why sincere and devout people equally seek god's will and pray to him yet they all come up with different answers so that there are approximately 40,000 different christian denominations (center for the study of global christianity (csgc) at gordon-conwell theological seminary).. before his death, jesus called for agreement among his followers rather than division (john 17:20-21).
he declared that he would send the holy spirit to guide persons into all the truth (john 14:16 - 17, 26, john 15:26, john 16:7,13 - 15).. so shouldn't anyone who has a relationship with jesus, reads the bible, and listens to the holy spirit come to the same conclusions as others who are doing the same thing?.
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Cos I am only human after all
dont put your blame on me... may be Im blind .... look in your mirror ... to see it clearer
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I blame the watchtower ONLY for INHUMAN practices of a cult not for human errors.
If a group of christians seperates itself by saying we have only the truth and resigns to speak with all other who call themselves christians this group is establishing a sect. The sect gives up the community, the Eucharist community, or doesnt celebrate the Lord supper togehter with other christians. Thats a cult.
If Jesus meant with unity the Eucharist unity or an organisational unity or a more philosophical unity can be subject of further discussion. But the most imortant for unity is talking with others.
Only by talking, debating, dicsussing with friends you can "separate the spirits", (what is from god and what no) find out wether your argmuments or thoughs are reasonable. If the watchtower talked with other christians they would find out e.g. how a modern church discipline looks like, but they avoid education.
There are today many religious orders within the christian faith, they have different programmes, life styles,e.g. the cistercian. JWs could be an religious order in unity with the global church, whether orthodox or protestant or something else wouldnot matter, but they are excommunicating themselves from the unity.
Despite that sectiarian attitude the christians dont hate JWs and the members of the JWs, they are "only one face" of the christian faith for us. JW wear the face or mask of zealous fighters who avoid company with the world. Arianism was one face of christians, in the early church, christian belief had many faces and so it is today. Diversity can even make sensible for new more facetes of christian faith and the necessity of loving each other.
Unity of faith doesnt exclude variety. Even variety of interpretation. The christian faith is the result of debating in rabbinic style about the bible. Even in the 1st century there was everything open and ready for change and debate .
For the modern church the JW are also christians, although outsiders of own decision.
It doenst turn about giving up culture, customs in any case. What did jesus mean really about unity, a unity of all mankind not only the group of preachers, that was already the spirit of the gospels?
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Gone Hiking - Tranquility Ridge - From "Brook"-lyn to Beech "Brook"
by TheWonderofYou inthis tour plan inmidst of tranquility ridge is not impressing with buildings or great attractions but with tranquility and wildlife peace.
this peace of nature is the neigbourhood of world headquarter to the west.. this virtual hiking tour starts in the south-west of the new worldheadquarter.
from the longpond- side we start our trailtramp through a silent forest and watch the tranquility wildlife while we tailtramp to the wetland, beech brook and perhaps the sandy beach lake.
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I like the region, so many lakes, I didnt know that so near to New York so many parks are.
Unfortunately I am not there and I cant afford it. I was interested to know where that famous new headquarters was and found out that the region is really very beautiful. So I am only googling and sharing some findings with you. But perhaps someday who knows, i will visit America.
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If we stood at the top of the "Big Beech Mountain" that is more a higher ridge than a real mountain and looked from there" not eastwards towards the Blue Lake but westwards we would see a much larger lake, namely the Greenwood Lake.
This would be a good spot for looking after an accomodation to sleep and to spend our evening. Next day we could make a boat trip for the beginning.
https://www.pinterest.com/cgstrano/greenwood-lake/
One beach is called the Warwick town beach
http://www.warwickadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130524/NEWS01/130529963/-1/NEWS/Warwick-town-beach-opens
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But between the Tranquility Ridge, the big beech mountain and the Greenwood lake we had to pass the Jennings Mountain and the Jennings Creek. Many trails for biking.
We would pass the Wannaque Brook.
Source of these beautiful pictures of Big beech mountain and Wanaque wildlife reservoir:
Charlie Steins Photoblog - recommended
http://lowmileage.com/2013/05/27/long-pond-ironworks-state-park-passaic-county-new-jersey/
Youtube impressions
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Elders/Ex-Elders: Question about Blood
by JWdaughter inafter many years of objecting to the wt teachings on many levels, blood being one of them, i recently started to wonder (ok, i am slow!
) : what exactly does the wt think that the early non jewish christians were abstaining from in the blood abstention bit.
while i understand the context of the request that the apostle sent to the brothers, i do not understand what jws think they were abstaining from.. meat slaughtered improperly?.
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JW daughter: Am I the only person that thinks that point in particular is hypocritical? More importantly, and to my question, has this ever been addressed by the WT?
That could serve as answer, but it sounds really odd.
The Governing Body knows about that allegations and in 2004 to the opposite it called the zealous Jews "hypocrites" by applying Matthew 23,23,24 to them. Those zealous hypocrites would have forgotten the deeper meaning of the law and had invented unnecessary "draining rituals", which the GB called "varied reactions" to the divine law. Such zealousness and hyocracy had lead them to disregard the sense of the law, namely justice, mercy and faithfulness.
Consequently the Governing body thinks that any form of complicated draining "rituals" can be called hypocracy because they are unneccesary. It should have remained in the beliefers conscience how to drain an animal even under the mosaic law what the hypocrites neglected though.
The modern time governing body like 1st centruy GB-Apostoloci council is well aware of this fact and therefore it reestablished the Noachidic laws for all mankind.
Do you see that something does not match up with the GB?
Imagine a zealous Jew facing such issues. He might have thought it safest to avoid meat sold in a meat market, much as another would shun meat if there was a chance that it was once offered to an idol. Other Jews might have eaten meat only after following rituals to extract the blood.* (Matthew 23:23, 24) What do you think about such varied reactions? Furthermore, since God did not require such reactions, would it be best for Jews to send a multitude of questions to a council of rabbis to get a ruling on each one? Though that custom developed in Judaism, we can be happy that Jehovah did not direct true worshipers to pursue decisions about blood in that way.
God offered basic guidance on slaughtering clean animals and draining their blood, but he did not go beyond that.—John 8:32.
http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004445?q=koshering&p=par#h=19
"basic guidance on slaughtering"? Please what exactly is this basic guidance today? This paragraph above frome the watchtower? Draining the animal how you like, killling it how you like?
As according to the Governing Body today the laws given to Noah are again valid for mankind (not only for gentiles but even for Jews), what do the Noachidic laws demand in regard of draining blood? Did the GB in the meantime receive the information about basic guidance and where can we read it?
Slaughtering animals Insight book
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000281
These dietary limitations applied only to those who were under the Mosaic Law, for the statement of Leviticus 11:8 is: “They are unclean for you,” that is, for the Israelites. With the abrogation of the Law on the basis of the sacrificial death of Christ Jesus, the prohibitions were canceled, and
once more all humans could consider themselves under the same broad provision announced to Noah following the Deluge.—Col 2:13-17; Ge 9:3, 4.
Were can we find exactly the easy understandable basic guidance in regard to slaugther that were transmitted to Noah and the Apostoli Council and to the modern day GB only so as not to fall into any form of hypocracy and acts of awful "rituals" of kosher slaughter or koshering that some hyocrites perform?
The GB assures us that the Apostolic council considered all facts. Facts that are considered even by the modern Govering body.
When an Israelite killed a sheep, how quickly did he have to drain its blood? Did he have to slit the animal’s throat for drainage? Was it necessary to hang the sheep by its hind legs? For how long? What would he do with a large cow? Even after drainage, some blood might remain in the meat. Could he eat such meat? Who would decide?..... Furthermore, since God did not require such reactions, would it be best for Jews to send a multitude of questions to a council of rabbis to get a ruling on each one
It was really hard for many jewish christians to understand that there religion was obsolete, since the "law" was abrogated completely. As the law was not valid the apostels being jews had to break of slowly all the jewish habits like going to the temple, think about the Mosaic laws, read in the hebrew bible about Mosaic law, or to slaughter like hypocrites and they had to learn again doing everyhting only like it was told to NOAH after the Deluge.
That was not difficult because the GB thinks that God guided them.
Christians differ in the extent to which they have made progress in learning what God says, in being sensitive to his thinking, and in applying such to their decisions. We can illustrate this with the Jews and the eating of meat
Yes indeed the Apostels had to learn slowly that their customs were obssolet. If the Mosaic laws was obsolote, why do JW think about it so much?
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Election Post-Mortem
by Simon ini'm sure many people, republicans included, are shocked at the results of the 2016 presidential election.
really, wtf!.
the polls were wrong and although it's tempting to blame voter suppression and fbi interference, that would just avoid looking at the real issues for the loss.
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What Trump and JW are very effective is: Trump"ling" the brains of the followers
Trump had such a success because he always repeated the same things (lies included), created easy pictures and confirmed them by constantly by saying "believe me", "believe me".
What can we learn? One believed what he said but what was only show, what was only propaganda and what does he think really?
Through constant repeating of the same things our brain circuits get strenghened, because our brains like to get trained to believe what is repeated. By repeating a lie again and again one could easily give the lie the character of truth, this would function at least in certain moments. What was once heared would remain. Thats good for learning.
JW use the learning method in assemblies and on big conventions, they listen and hear again and again the same things.
Linguistics are training speakers and politicians to speak with influence, to create pictures. Political framing techniques. A whole nation begins to believe, to think what is actually only talked to the nation into believing it, so it becomes politics. The winner with the best language takes it all.
Human brain changes through language, the aural sense is of most importance for us, our brain is changing each day and it is hard to edit what was once heared by rational arguments.
Note: Dont let your malleable mind get trumpled by those who say "believe us". Cults use religious framing to isolate.
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Gone Hiking - Tranquility Ridge - From "Brook"-lyn to Beech "Brook"
by TheWonderofYou inthis tour plan inmidst of tranquility ridge is not impressing with buildings or great attractions but with tranquility and wildlife peace.
this peace of nature is the neigbourhood of world headquarter to the west.. this virtual hiking tour starts in the south-west of the new worldheadquarter.
from the longpond- side we start our trailtramp through a silent forest and watch the tranquility wildlife while we tailtramp to the wetland, beech brook and perhaps the sandy beach lake.
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This tour plan inmidst of tranquility ridge is not impressing with buildings or great attractions but with tranquility and wildlife peace. This peace of nature is the neigbourhood of world headquarter to the west.
This virtual hiking tour starts in the south-west of the new worldheadquarter. From the Longpond- side we start our trailtramp through a silent forest and watch the Tranquility wildlife while we tailtramp to the wetland, Beech Brook and perhaps the sandy beach lake. Returning we could climb up the beech mountain to get this beautiful view to northeast over the Ridge, the wet land and Beech Brook. The Blue lake lies between the ridges in behind.
From big „beech mountain“ we look over „Beech brook“ where lies the border between the states New york and New Yersey. We are on New Yersey side.
http://www.topozone.com/new-jersey/passaic-nj/stream/beech-brook-4/
Here are pictures from "gonehikin blogspot" of the proposed tour. Nice
http://gonehikin.blogspot.co.at/2014/06/long-pond-ironworks-state-park-nj-big.html
The wetland.
Quote: The bucolic and aptly named Tranquility Ridge, is 2,110-acres of unspoiled woodlands located in the highlands communities of West Milford and Ringwood. Passaic County was able to preserve this property after the county purchased it from the Sterling Corporation. Tranquility Ridge was originally part of the Sterling Forest tract that was being slated for development.
Tranquility Ridge is perfect for hikers who enjoy the getting back to nature, and the peace and quiet of the deep forest.Beech Brook
In the distance you would see the Little Cedar Pond inmidst the Sterling Forest.
After this tour we relax at the Sheppard Pond (SE of Headquarters)
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Gone Hikin' - Blue Lake
by TheWonderofYou ini vite you to make with me a „roundabout route“ round the new world headquarters.
as many cannot afford a journey to america and many would rather made a recreational trip to the hudson valley.
let us hike and tramp virtually around.
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I vite you to make with me a „roundabout route“ round the new world headquarters. As many cannot afford a journey to America and many would rather made a recreational trip to the Hudson valley. Let us hike and tramp virtually around. About 50.000 visitors are counted at the bethels every year. Lets begin with the world headquarters at the Blue Lake.
Next to the HQ we find to the WEST this nice low Tranquility Ridge which we will explore later, perhaps tomorrow.
Its the "Tranquility Ridge County Park Forest", a very beautiful place to tramp around in silent nature. Lets hope that the GB get many spiritual new light here. Its 44 miles to New York from here. Its a sign that the HQ was relocated from the loud city into the silent nature.
Vis-a vis over the "blue lake" you see the IBM HQ. Thats to the north.
Blue Lake is located inside Sterling Forest State Park.
The Sterling State Lakes will be our next tour. I hope tomorrow. Enjoy!
At the Blue lake Anglers can also target Largemouth Bass, Chain Pickerel and panfish. Blue Lake has a nice boat launch and provides anglers with a good opportunity at catching some fish.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/75516.html
Here some details about the HQ.
IBM at the Blue Lake