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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

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i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

Will 2017 be an important year?

When 1919 Rutherford and other Watchtower directors were released from jail, bible prophesies fulfilled!

"Comparably, after a Babylonish captivity, the anointed remnant was delivered in 1919, and under the guidance of God's spirit, the once desolate "soil" of spiritual Israel has been cleansed." Watchtower 1988 Sep 15 p.15

"After their trialsome period of 1917-1919, Jehovah’s people subjected themselves to scrutiny. Realizing that they had acted in ways that did not meet with God’s approval, they sought forgiveness in prayer repenting of their former course. This led to Jehovah’s forgiveness and blessing. One compromise had been the cutting of pages from The Finished Mystery, this to please those who had assumed the position of censor. Another occurred when The Watch Tower of June 1, 1918, stated: "In accordance with the resolution of Congress of April 2nd, and with the proclamation of the President of the United States of May 11, it is suggested that the Lord’s people everywhere make May 30th a day of prayer and supplication." Subsequent comments lauded the United States and did not harmonize with the Christian position of neutrality." Yearbook 1975 p.119

Will the governing body now seek forgiveness and change literature as well as accept government censure?

Jehovah’s people should again subject themselves to scrutiny....once more in 2017 not only to fulfill prophesies but to think about the human rights

The Finished Mystery quote above was page 251 of the 1917 edition. Rather than stand fast to its beliefs and principles, Watchtower meekly followed the United States governmental ordered to remove pages 247 to 254 from The Finished Mystery.
In the 1918 edition, the section covering the sub-heading “Out of the mouth of the dragon” was reduced from 5 pages to 1 paragraph. Click here for a PDF scan of the pages from the 1917 edition that were removed from the 1918 edition.
Watchtower was not imprisoned for preaching truth about God’s Kingdom; it was for taking side in politics. Their release was equally a violation of their principles, a result of complying with the government order to change what they had printed. Neither action showed them to be spiritually cleansed.

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1919-derived.php

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

The supreme court is mostly interested in the Rights of the Children. Obviously it was not seen as highest importance to address the main concern of the Court namely the effects of cult education on children

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

TheWonderofYou

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/jehovahs-witness-banned-in-russia-as-extremist-organization-57649

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/russland-oberstes-gericht-verbietet-zeugen-jehovas_id_6995053.html

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Blondie's Comments Will Not Hear at the 04-16-2017 WT Study (RANSOM)

by blondie in

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blondie’s comments you will not hear at the april 16, 2017 wt study (february 2017) (ransom).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/jesus-ransom-a-perfect-present/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

TheWonderofYou

Was the ransom really a "Perfect present" if it happened only "at tremendous cost to himself"?

If Jehovah first gave his Son as present - "at tremendous cost", Insight - to the mankind and later used the same present as his clever provision to pay the ransom-price back (at tremendous cost for his son) to him self, what kind of perfect present was that?

For me it appears to be merely a articifal constructed play for people who make a point of rightousness and judicial arrangements but not a real ransom.

( Jehovah is the donor and recipient at the same time, what sense does this make? Why should god "at tremendous cost" for himself and pain and suffering for his son play such a game?)

Insight:

The strictness of God’s justice made it impossible for mankind itself to provide its own redeemer. (Ps 49:6-9) However, this results in the magnifying of God’s own love and mercy in that he met his own requirements at tremendous cost to himself, giving the life of his own Son to provide the redemption price. (Ro 5:6-8) This required his Son’s becoming human to correspond to the perfect Adam.

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Gods Government should reside in Beth Sarim

by TheWonderofYou in

awake!

according to this watchtower prophecy proclaimed since 1929 by the 2nd director of jehovahs witnesses j.f.

rutherford - name-giver of "jehovahs witnesses" - actually gods government or gods kingdom should have its earthly visible presence located in san diego california.. as most jehovahs witnesses are forbidden to read this information here on internet please inform all jehovahs witnesses you know but secretly about this scandalizing false prophecy of its founder.. the chapter vi of the book "salvation" from 1939 is entitled "god's government" and one paragraph is dedictated to the san diego headquarter of the future earthly goverment, where faithful resurrected servants of god were awaited to act as princes on earth and execute power in this thesis of goverment.

TheWonderofYou

Now it is interesting to see how in the book Salvation after the paragraph about the building a house for the princes that should rule over the earth and the picture, instantly a chapter is following about an awaited great multitude of people surviving Armagedon, people who would supposedly have to live also on earth under the prophezised princes, who should administrate earthly matters as proof for this heresy. "

"and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth." (Salvation, Watchtower)

It seems that these two false prophesies are closely connected....without people living on earth, great multitude, no necessity for them to take charge of visible affairs of earth. So the founder of Jehovahs witnesses strongly believed once that this house would be necessary and should be donated by the exploited cult-followers.

The real story of Beth Sarim

"Beth-Sarim was built with funds that were a direct contribution for that purpose."

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6905/real-chronology-beth-sarim

As this prophesy didnt come true the Watchtower corrected its "understanding" of the matter

« A few years after Brother Rutherford’s death,(*) the board
of directors of the Watch Tower Society decided to sell Beth-Sarim .
Why ? « The Watchtower » of December 15, 1947, explained : » It had fully served its purpose and was now only serving as a monument quite expensive to keep ; our faith in the return of the men of old time
whom the King Christ will make princes in ALL the earth (not merely
in Califonia) is based , not upon that house Beth-Sarim, but upon God’s Word of promise. »

Wow. The new understanding fitted perfectly. But why did they build this house for the princes already before Armageddon and not after it ? They awaited the princes to return before Armageddon.

More information about Beth Sarim and Beth Shan is available.

Here is an article by TerryWalstrom

The immediate personal use of this home and facilities in mild weather San Diego would be immediately available to Rutherford. However, the deed to the property makes it appear this was for the noble reason of providing a haven for the arrival of faithful men and women of old as Abraham, Moses, Rahab, and Sarah. A portion of the deed of trust reads as follows:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5124535745511424/doom-luxury-watchtower-elite-prepares-great-tribulation

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Gods Government should reside in Beth Sarim

by TheWonderofYou in

awake!

according to this watchtower prophecy proclaimed since 1929 by the 2nd director of jehovahs witnesses j.f.

rutherford - name-giver of "jehovahs witnesses" - actually gods government or gods kingdom should have its earthly visible presence located in san diego california.. as most jehovahs witnesses are forbidden to read this information here on internet please inform all jehovahs witnesses you know but secretly about this scandalizing false prophecy of its founder.. the chapter vi of the book "salvation" from 1939 is entitled "god's government" and one paragraph is dedictated to the san diego headquarter of the future earthly goverment, where faithful resurrected servants of god were awaited to act as princes on earth and execute power in this thesis of goverment.

TheWonderofYou

AWAKE! According to this Watchtower prophecy proclaimed since 1929 by the 2nd director of Jehovahs Witnesses J.F. Rutherford - name-giver of "Jehovahs witnesses" - actually Gods government or Gods kingdom should have its earthly visible presence located in San Diego California.

As most Jehovahs witnesses are forbidden to read this information here on internet please inform all Jehovahs witnesses you know but secretly about this scandalizing false prophecy of its founder.

The chapter VI of the book "Salvation" from 1939 is entitled "God's government" and one paragraph is dedictated to the San Diego headquarter of the future earthly goverment, where faithful resurrected servants of god were awaited to act as princes on earth and execute power in this thesis of goverment. They are however another group than the 144000 heavenly kings, which are thought to be government that has the real power.

This Watchtower business was the beginning of hiding the true history of the organisation. We must not forget that the Watchtower didnt pay a penny for this house, but the members donated for the project. The house was only for the personal use of Judge Rutherford. A source sayed he bought the house for $ 10 and building costs were $ 25.000.

As this is unbelievable proof for false prophesy of the watchtower, I once again highlight this subject.

History: http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/beth-sarim-the-story-of-rutherfords-ivory-tower

The following youtube video shows "brother" or "Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford" working at the Beth Sarim Building lot.

1929 Footage of J.F. Rutherford Building Beth-Sarim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNchfPqFmPk

Good quality pictures of Beth Sarim you finde here

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/175257/better-quality-pictures-beth-sarim-from-1931

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A new theme of this years convention has been annonced!

by The freewheeling in

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TheWonderofYou

Friday

How giving up bad association, bad conduct and bad customs supports us to keep conquering the evil with the good. Romans 12:21

Bad customs:

How giving up close contact to family members who are gods enemies bears positive spiritual fruits.
Give up fruitless field territories to give others a change.
Give up persisting on your assignment as an elder if you have not apologized for your sexual abusive behaviour before the congregation!
Give up doubting the blood ban.
Give up merely parroting what the Governing Body is playing.
Give up trusting in us because we are the governing body
Give up speculating with data and antitypes!
Give up hiding yourself of appointments.
Give up withholding your donations or persisting on property for the local congregation
Give up thinking that we cannot change to accept new light.
Give up resisting our orders.
Give up hurrying ahead.
Give up following worldly messiahs
Give up concentrating in the weekends, welfare and leisure.
Giving up the truth as a whole .

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

TheWonderofYou

How much effort and deepness it takes today to understand this one matter, the theological meaning of Jesus and Jesus death. For us all the ancient metaphors like ...jesus the scapegoat, Jesus the lamb, jesus blood safed us, the sprinkling of blood at the altar, the wine is the blood and the bread is the body of Jesus at the Lords evening meal, the slaughtered pessach lambs who were eaten at the evening meal at the pessach festival. e.g. remain actually in a fog unless we have one how interpretes the terms for our century and our philosophy.

We have little understanding of greek and judeo-christian philosophy at all and especially what the terms that are used in the new testament like "mercy seat", "blood" for as magical cleansing tool in a religious system of purity and how Jesus blood is used as metaphor to describe how christians are cleansed.

Likewise who understands today how the thinkers in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th century understood why Jesus was the LORD or the demarcation between triniy and subordination. If we think of how confusing it is for us today to interprete the "Understanding" of Charles Taze Russel or Rutherford or Franz exactly, we would often err and mix up the teachings, and now think how difficult to interprete the sayings of people who lived in the 3rd century e.g. The trinity is formulated in terms and language of people who lived in the antique, to consider!

Therefore especially for this deepness and broadness I have so much respect for your hard work and I appreciated your work because I am also ongoing searching this subjects.

For me it somehow ranges in order with works of modern theologians who interprete Jeus death not as payment to the father (the payment or legal aspect could be seen only a metaphor, although a sacrifice was always a financial burden).

Your work includes so many details that are helpful for former and actual JW to overthink their understandings how a sacrifical death of Jesus could be seen more as act of love than as payment, especially considering your arguments about Paul who used practically any metaphor to support/explain in the judea-christian language the notion that Jesus was the "prodigy".

Paraphrases like "The blood of Jesus safes us"....are hardly to explain today, does it mean the liquid, the life-principle, or does shedded blood stand for his devotion, which is respresented by blood, the whole life-work of Jesus.. and who are we to interprete that?

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Missed 1914 by that Much

by truth_b_known in

do you remember the mars climate orbiter?

it was a probe launched by nasa designed to gather data on mars.

the problem is that the probe never reached mars.

TheWonderofYou

Millers original "1843 is the end" chart

http://www.bible.ca/pre-miller-1843-ellen-white.gif

Millers "Kingdom of God in 1843" was certainly the closest relative of 1914

Miller converted from Deism in 1816. Excited, he began to "search the Scriptures" for the truth. After two years he was convinced he understood them—especially Daniel 8:14: "Unto 2,300 days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." The cleansing of the sanctuary, Miller believed, could only mean the purging of the earth by fire—in short, the end of the world.
By interpreting these prophetic days as years and beginning from the date of the prophecy (placed by James Ussher at 457 B.C.), Miller concluded that the end of the 2,300 "days" would fall in 1843: "I was thus brought to the solemn conclusion that in about 25 years from that time all the affairs of our present state would be wound up

How bishop Ushher came to 4004 BCE as age of the world:

https://answersingenesis.org/bible-timeline/the-world-born-in-4004-bc/

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Missed 1914 by that Much

by truth_b_known in

do you remember the mars climate orbiter?

it was a probe launched by nasa designed to gather data on mars.

the problem is that the probe never reached mars.

TheWonderofYou

Dear friends,

who was the first in that "lastdays"-rallye? Who at first interpreted the numbers/days from Daniel or Revelation as proof that "bible prophesy" is "fullfilling today"? Were it rabbinic kabbalists, christian darkmiddleage cults - albigensisans, waldensians e.g. or lutherian protestants or a catolic monch, who was bored and awaited the divine judgement day? Who copied whose ideas? Who came up with that notion: one day = one year interpretation, that this could reach into our time? I ve read it already in another thread or a book, dont remember though. How influenced Miller 1843 in the latest history? Perhaps it was in " The Gentile Times Reconsidered: Chronology and Christ's Return by Carl Olof Jonson ?