Posts by TheWonderofYou

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Have you ever considered how bizarre the idea of "War in Heaven" really is?

by TerryWalstrom in

when you grow up and look back on childhood belief you have to laugh at how.

easter bunnies and santa were all too plausible for children because trusted adults who were otherwise unimpeachable sources of truth and reality assured and reassured kids.

why wouldn't they accept it?jehovah's witness kids didn't have santa, we had armageddon.only this morning i suddenly asked myself why i ever accepted the idea of a war in heaven as even remotely sane.

TheWonderofYou

Next error. In the war at Armageddon on The day of The Lord no rider on a white horse with a bow and arrow is mentioned at all.

It is Watchtowers fantastic conglomering of texts that they at Armageddon in the final slaughter see a horse here.

For this they now wrench and misusthe white horse of Rev.4 in a story about 4 apocalyptical horsemen yet not riding in Armageddon and not together with thousand other white horses of angels but onlg as 3 horsemen - black, red and pale - and only preceding and announcing a certain Apocalypse for the Roman empire and not the world. The white horse here not being used for wrath or annihilate enemies of God physically but as symbol for announcing the gospel which is preceding the end according to Ireneaus. Even if one interpretes the horsemen as consequences of human (roman) war there is nothing said here about God killing billions because he commanded it as final all solution. This story of horsemen is part of the 7 seals-story, which is only announcing something bad for the empires future but is not itself the finally executed judgment by a God.

Then theres is a horsemen in chapter 19 , Christ.

"And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses." White and clean... why because whitewashed...humans not angels. White the colour of the clean good news.

So then this "white army in heaven" is simply consisting of "coward" christians who are saved and whitewashed in the blood of the lamb not real warriors, "coureageous victors" but normal peaceful people with peaceful mind here presented as victorious winners of a battle. Projection as you call it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse

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Anybody here still believe in the bible?

by Mel Morris in

jw
friends

i'm a current bible student of jw's looking to chat with someone about biblical doctrine.

i'm not interested in talking with an apostate or a fader, i'm just a person looking for answers and wondered if there are any neutral voices in this forum who have good insights into the bible.

i currently talk with a couple of jw's on a personal level from my congregation and they are knowledgeable to a certain extent, but i dare not ask them certain questions because, as you know, the congregation has a culture of fear that impacts trust and openness, especially concerning biblical doctrine or the societies teachings.

TheWonderofYou

I think that mostly my mother and stories about Jesus had more influence in education and developing my" conscience " than selected parts of the bible that are only confusing.. My motto is "my conscience first". A benefit in bible reading is hardly easy to achieve and can lead to completely false assumptions. The Bible as heritage yes but not as basis of dressing code, hairstyle, sexual habit regulation but as as remainder of 10 comnandments: to value life and people, respect of property, partnerships, parents and nature, to respect the limits that are not to be transgressed, values which however are the same in all cultures, even the "nations" know of them as the bible tells.

Reading bible is basically loss of lifetime because the kingdom will come .... anyway... automatically according to Jesus, we can't speed it up by reading. And also the result of reading bible is that you then realise at a certain moment that you know not much more than before only that got into difficult symbolism and phrases that you not understand without special language training cause it's full of oriental metaphors.

But hey read the Song of songs and imagine how a sulamith girl stands in a park and you are a king receiving her full adoration, and make your own conclusions if you like.

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Have you ever considered how bizarre the idea of "War in Heaven" really is?

by TerryWalstrom in

when you grow up and look back on childhood belief you have to laugh at how.

easter bunnies and santa were all too plausible for children because trusted adults who were otherwise unimpeachable sources of truth and reality assured and reassured kids.

why wouldn't they accept it?jehovah's witness kids didn't have santa, we had armageddon.only this morning i suddenly asked myself why i ever accepted the idea of a war in heaven as even remotely sane.

TheWonderofYou

I read Rev.16 verses 14,16 again and yet more now I can hardly understand why this short high symbolic text should be read as a "final solution" for the whole world of unbelievers and a "of most importance" text in the bible. Also Armageddon seems to be not " a war in heaven" but "more earth-orientied " because of the " kings of the nations " mentioned, which could be a phrase chosen by John to mean simple the Roman empire which then was the whole world, but he avoided it to call Rome.

This WAR of wrath - part of the 7 bowls of wrath -- was then I think simple a part of the 6th bowls of Gods wrath - the wrath against Babylon/Rome and not about the end of the world, killing of all unbelievers, as the river Euphrat are mentioned in the same verse as armageddon.

Read the 7th bowl and it again speaks about BAbylon. So everything seems to point to an earthly wrath against the Roman empire in which all kings of all nations take symbolically part and to which they congregate themselves at a symbolic place of Armageddon, this is language of hope, that was used in the Johanite community liturgy. The terminology of war was present but in highly symbolic use.

So I think John or the first christians did not mean Armagedon a war against all nonbelievers at the end of time but Armageddon to be a war of babylon the great which riding and influencing all kings against holy church and God's wrath against babylon afterwards.

The other more heavenly "war in heaven" - according to your definition - in which a dragon and michael appears is another subject yet more interesting for my later post.

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Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

by pale.emperor in

i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

TheWonderofYou

Followers of Apostle Peter, the coward. "No no no ...I don't belong to them", exemplary Christian coward for all GB members. Even Peter was weak. Has this example of non - couragousness not been mentioned at the convention at all? if yet GB is imitating him.

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Dutch Branch office response to the motion accepted by Parliament: "an investigation is shooting with a cannon on a mosquito"

by jochie in

today a large article was published in a dutch newspaper 'dagblad van het noorden'.

it is about frank huiting, the reclaimed voices foundation and the adopted motion in parliament.

the branch office has given a reaction:.

TheWonderofYou

Like it was the case with the Australian victims now the Dutch contacted professional lawyers. This was for the Mosquito paradise organisation the turningpoint to end the phase of constructive consultation. The org has a Sound protocol and would never sue anyone for anyone in brotherly fairness. Therefore - How could erring victims go to lawyers is not understandable. Now what remains for them to use sound mosqito warfare strategy is in place. Hiding as invisible congregtion members, sucking and attacking.

The governments are exegarating. Abusers are not such a big problem. P.S. mosquitos are according to the press release the exemplary for abusers in the organisation. Misbehaviour should not be criminalisized but soundly protocolized as sin. The apostates make a giant problem of it.

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Dutch Branch office response to the motion accepted by Parliament: "an investigation is shooting with a cannon on a mosquito"

by jochie in

today a large article was published in a dutch newspaper 'dagblad van het noorden'.

it is about frank huiting, the reclaimed voices foundation and the adopted motion in parliament.

the branch office has given a reaction:.

TheWonderofYou

"an investigation is shooting with a cannon on a mosquito" ...this is inappropriate, it's religious persecution of a minor group who has tender sentiments towards victims of an insignificant number of such little perpetrators.

Its time to protect mosquitos before unjust "Persecution!" The mosquitos among us are just like other insects, bees e.g. elsewhere. They are not more dangerous at all!. It would be laughable to criticize and doubt gods loving plan in the creation, which includes our latest invention: jehovahs "Mosquito Protocol" ( a compilation of our efforts to protect children within our community) before mosquitos, our warmheartedly mosquito net.

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"The World is better than many of you think", Hans Rosling

by TheWonderofYou in

myth overpopulation?

should we be worried or scared?

how to make sense of it all?

TheWonderofYou

Myth overpopulation? Should we be worried or scared? How to make sense of it all?

In this talk Prof Hans Rosling presents awesome statistical data that show how much we know about the future of the world population, and how number of children per family, sanitation and medical advancement, as well as birthcontrol, industrial advancement along with energy demand will change the the face of our world.

The basics behind the estimation of the future earth population 11 billions at the end of this century and of 4 billions in Africa at 2100.

At the end he calls himself a "possiblist" and says "The world is better than many of you think", Hans Rosling

This is a much more better news than what Watchtower said that God would soon have to interfere and save the earth from the contaminators.

Here the youtube video english/german

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

German:_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRBBH72j8ao

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Youtube videos doing the JW rounds. Gods name

by pleaseresearch in

so here in the uk this video is getting jws very excited.

now my mum actualy said it wa funny to hear jw music at the start and finish.

so i'm wondering if the watchtower had any input into this.

TheWonderofYou

https://www.dreilindenfilm.de/shop/der-name-gottes.html

Credits...

Reibling foundation

Dieser Film wurde gefördert von der LLRFF - Laura und Lorenz Reibling Family Foundation

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My understanding on the generation doctrine...

by PJ Delaney in

this is my understanding on the generation doctrine.. and i actually think might be correct!.

watch this video and see what you think.... i regret that the sound on this is pretty bad, but i’d be grateful if people considered the material presented here.

if you think i have a point to what i’m saying here...... spread the news!.

TheWonderofYou

Dear Sir, your audio got bad..Vibration so much that it is only painful. ..why the Video at all?

Keep it short and simple..

What is the Point?

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How did Christianity Achieve its Position as the World's Largest Religious Grouping?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

there is little evidence to indicate that there were many christians in the first 2 or 3 centuries of its existence.

but after the conversion of constantine (or, at least his toleration of christianity) things changed.

with one notable exception all future emperors promoted christianity.

TheWonderofYou

This happend through convincing the noble, first the roman emperor and then the governing prince and princes and sovereigns that they only could reign effectly over the people with the blessing of God, that they acted as gods steward in the princes office and were responsible then to bring people religion, and gods blessing through their authority in the office. Ordinary people had to take on the religion of the princes. Get used to the might of real power of authority and fearmonger, and the sword. And this all in best intent. Its misuse of religion of the simgle political leader party and its power over the peoples' conscience. But the noble possessed rhe land and were the lords.