Posts by TheWonderofYou

25

Who wrote the Bible?

by Ireneus in

the wordings suggest much of the bible is written by false friends of god.

to mention a few:.

1) god planted a special tree to pay the way for suffering and death into the lives of his children.. 2) god protected cain who murdered his innocent brother out of sheer jealousy.

Many stories in the bible are simply the salt in the soup. What they believed in ancient time - the notion of God and universe - was a reflection to own experiences and accoglomeration of existing ideas - can't be our notion.

When a gospel writer wrote down the oral traditions or ranscripted an existing written story about Jesus in which e.g. Jesus once mentioned Noahs flood and compared that time with the end time in the future, this wasconly the salt in the soup of this comparison but not factual history.

Jesus used a hyperbole like Brother Lett when he spoke of paintbrushes that's it. A good story needs a hyperbole that is not true at all but arouses attention to the speaker

44

Did the jw's leadership ever apologize for 1975?

by dugout in

jw
friends

talking to my friend who's an elder, when i asked him did the leadership ever attempt to apologize for the 1975 prediction fiasco he said they did.

and he was going to show me.

i'm still waiting..................................................tic toc did they???

TheWonderofYou

The official chanel about information of JW " WOL " admits that there were "perhaps" + "exaggerated" + " ecpectations"

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101993009#h=72:0-72:714

In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah’s Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel. However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (page 17). But Jehovah’s Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah’s will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation.*

This is referring to a W from 1980 where

Wt 1980: "
There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility.

It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated."

This is it, the regret of 1980. That was it. But now we live in a time in which this is forgotten and they teach a lie namely that only the "WEAK ONES" followed the extremist course and sold their homes and so forth, that the wise would have been cautionary, while the Watchtower itself produced DUPLICITY.!

The comments about Franz show that there they talked with 2 tongues, once they gave advise not to believe in a fast salvation, then they created a hype. This is unexcusable for Mr. Franz.

At the convention held in Baltimore, Maryland, F. W. Franz gave the concluding talk. He began by saying: “Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, ‘Say, what does this 1975 mean?’” Brother Franz then referred to the many questions that had arisen as to whether the material in the new book meant that by 1975 Armageddon would be finished, and Satan would be bound. He stated, in essence: ‘It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.’

45

Broadcasting august, clown Lett about painting the K-hall

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

did you see the performance of stephen lett on august broadcasting?.

the illustration of painting the kingdom hall?.

used for explaining that you have to listen to elders even when they are totaly wrong?.

TheWonderofYou

bethsarim: What a totally beyond ridiculous illustration about painting a KH with a 2'' paintbrush.

Hyperbole:

Lett used as he called it a "hyperbole" to illustrate thje point how important it is to fullheartedly support and respect the elders in the congregation. Being obidient to those who are taking the lead ..... Should we not also be obidient to the government, who is taking the lead among the state? should they not report only to the WT legal desk but also to the authorities?

Dont JW always use HYPERBOLE Propaganda to market the product?

Armaggedon is such imminent and big or something else is absolutly true or very certain ...only to say later oh it was only a hyper-bold and scare-monger to bring seekers in or to make the printing press run? 1975, 1984, 1914, United Nations - first praise followed by animosity.

God said to Abram: kill your son to show obidience, to say later: wait it was only a hyper-bole to illu-strate you the point. You wouldnt really be able to do that, would you? haha.

God like Lett use hyper to show a point. then they shame for the hyperbole and blame one else.

Lession: Look behind the Hyper

40

Branch Co-ordinators letter re the Australian Royal Commission

by stuckinarut2 in

this letter was posted on the aust and nz facebook group this week.. it is self explanatory!

wow.... it seems to be their attempt at controlling the situation after the arc fallout.. .

TheWonderofYou

No doubt it will be much better if the Commission receives this information from the branch, rather than from apostate opposers.

WT acknowledges that relibale information is given by apostates to the authorities, the reliability is not questioned, however it would look better if such relibalbe information came from itself. Further anyone from outside given such information is seen as opposer, as if one would necessarily oppose WT only by information. What is about an enlightened publicity who might be as well interested, people who want to inform or moderate? If such people received leaked reliable information about the WT. Are they necessarily opposers ?

Slogan of today?
"comply with both their thinking and ours, where they do not compromise Scriptural standards."

...... why not

"comply with their governmental requirements by god given authority and ours consequently following this wise cesaraian laws according our conscience and clear scriptural advice to respect state law by providing if necessary witnesses from 4 eyes in such cases or if not available by corresponding and adopting proposad governmental procedures.

10

Is the blood doctrine idolatrous?

by Fred Franztone in

i'm not a god-fearing individual, but when i was still a believer, many suns ago, it occurred to me that the blood doctrine had an idolatrous foundation; it was one of the initial anti-wt thoughts in my mind that eventually led to me leaving the religion and ultimately (and somewhat ironically) to atheism.. the bible says that one should 'abstain from blood', and putting aside whether this is a mistranslation of bloodshed (which i've never bought), the wt are quite picky about which commandments they follow; they don't observe the sabbath, and they've even provided justifications for lying, so why the preoccupation with the blood commandment?

and why is it so serious a matter that it's a disfellowship-worthy offence?

the justification i was always given by elders was that blood is sacred, it's a symbol of life, and whilst the commandment to abstain from blood clearly meant that one shouldn't eat it, it's not unreasonable on the surface to extrapolate it to include transfusions (although some would disagree).. the problem with this reasoning of course is that by abstaining from blood transfusions, death from massive blood-loss is a possibility, unlike with abstaining from eating it.

TheWonderofYou

The number of misused guinea pigs with whom blood substitutes have been tested is large. This happened for a purpose. The only true God who supports scientific progress mostly in this single discipline of biology and medicine uses guinea women an men in the bloodless cult to increase his idol praise. Idolatry yes - for the god who is behind the bloodless industry.

24

Another JW "friend" bites the dust

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

just got word one of my favorite friends died a year ago!

only now have i heard about it.

he remained a devout jehovah's witness--so--he could not/would not speak to me.

TheWonderofYou

http://asherchurch.com/our_india_mission/ron_and_karen_clayton-hyder.html

24

Another JW "friend" bites the dust

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

just got word one of my favorite friends died a year ago!

only now have i heard about it.

he remained a devout jehovah's witness--so--he could not/would not speak to me.

TheWonderofYou

Could it be him? He writes "pruitt" not pruett as you wrote.

I further found a Ron Clayton in oklahoma who is leader of the Indian mission of the Church of Christ on youtube where he is guest speaker seemingly a man in the 70ies

24

Another JW "friend" bites the dust

by TerryWalstrom in

jw
friends

just got word one of my favorite friends died a year ago!

only now have i heard about it.

he remained a devout jehovah's witness--so--he could not/would not speak to me.

TheWonderofYou

I found this, ?

JOE RAY PRUETT, SR., former owner of Pruett's T.V. Repair, passed away at his home on September 15, 2004. He is survived by his wife, Donna; son, Joe Jr. and his wife Gina; and grandson, Justin. A Memorial Service will be held at 10:00 AM Saturday, September 18, 2004, at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, 114 Staffordshire Road, Stafford, TX 77477.

9

How does the "slave" turn 11 into 500?

by The Fall Guy in

at matthew 28:16, the alleged "faithful slave" changes the number of people whom jesus invites, from 11 to over 500 - in order to "prove" that men, women, and children were commanded to preach.*.

3 - “jesus’ 11 faithful apostles...went to a mountain in galilee to meet the resurrected christ!....“upward of five hundred brothers” may have been present on that occasion.” (or may not!).

other disciples are there too, about 500 of them,.

TheWonderofYou

Didn't Jesus send out once 70 disciples ? Wasn't this the start of preaching? They were called apostles in the tradition. A list of the names is on wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciples

Note also the original gospel: "Woe .to the unrepentant cities" sounds like judgment.

Luke Outline

- - Jesus sends out the 70 (1-12)
  - Woe to unrepentant cities (13-16)
  - The 70 return (17-20)

20

Have you ever considered how bizarre the idea of "War in Heaven" really is?

by TerryWalstrom in

when you grow up and look back on childhood belief you have to laugh at how.

easter bunnies and santa were all too plausible for children because trusted adults who were otherwise unimpeachable sources of truth and reality assured and reassured kids.

why wouldn't they accept it?jehovah's witness kids didn't have santa, we had armageddon.only this morning i suddenly asked myself why i ever accepted the idea of a war in heaven as even remotely sane.

TheWonderofYou

Corr:

So then this "white army in heaven" is simply consisting of ordinary christians who are saved and whitewashed in the blood of the lamb, more cowards than real warriors, the normal peaceful people with peaceful mind preaching the white gospel and presented here as victorious coureagous winners of a battle. Projection in its best form. And again not a real divine judgment or killing of enemies but the gospel is fighting and victouriousy winning.

Like a war but not real war.... it's a spiritual war.. the preaching work is biblically called a spiritual "white war " all of you sitting on white horses riding on command of the white king against invisible evil fighting in the world putting on the full armor of God, Ephesians 6, combined with white linen then if so, but never destructing something but only healing the hearts.bizarre to call and project it as "war", but hey the gospel "wins" how comforting. You are on the winner side.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse