RM,
I’m not following your reasoning. Also, don’t worry, you aren’t anywhere close to being “too factual” or “too intellectually honest.”
As for your question about me still being a Dub, are you serious? You haven’t surmised it yet?
DD
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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“I don't think it's a very good analogy, but it doesn't become a logical fallacy in the formal sense until someone uses the alleged similarity to justify additional conclusions.”
I agree 100%
Therein lies the rub….
What additional conclusions will be justified by those who buy into the false analogy?
DD
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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“So what your saying then AM is that social restrictions were pointless as well vaccinations ?”
1) That’s what I’m saying. Some experts feel the same, some believe the MRNA shots are helpful for some, and unnecessary for others, and that consent to any medical treatment should only occur when ALL the facts are presented so that an informed, not coerced decision can be made.
The makers of these MRNA shots know full well that some people can and will die. That’s why they have worked hard to pay the right people so as to be free of any and all liabilities due to injuries.
“So lets say there were no social restrictions or mask wearing laws in the US ever imposed, the amount of infections would be well over a million + and deaths well over a million by now.”
2) There is no way that you, or anyone else can prove that statement.
“With some as you say building up an immunity against the virus, a truly worthy endeavor ?”
3) I don’t even know what you are saying.
“I guess it might be all fair well if you are not one those million.”
4) Again, how are proving this number?
”So if you were one those unfortunate who had to go to a hospital and lay in bed for over a month with a oxygen tube up your nose, would you still have the same opinion about the whole matter “
5) Yes. Covid-19 is a virus that can kill, just like any Corona virus can under the right circumstances. If my parents had died of Covid-19 because they have weak immune systems and are old that doesn’t change the facts about insane lockdowns that cause supply chain issues, and deaths from delayed medical treatments, suicide, ect.
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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“Anti Vaxers like DD don't seem to care enough about people.”
That’s just inaccurate. I think you know it.
DD
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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Is it appropriate to have a healthcare system that utterly fails to address prevention which leads to reacting to crises instead of responding? Is it appropriate for an extra 20 million ( UN estimate ) people in Africa to die as a result of unnecessary lockdowns that stopped supply chains for food? How do you feel about that? Do you know what another lockdown will do to disadvantaged people in 3rd world countries?
I don’t have to be smarter than any government official, although the bar is low these days, I just need to quote someone who is. I’m certainly smarter that Trudeau.
It’s been proven over and over that prevention and early treatment work. You either don’t care, or haven’t seen the information due to censorship. The rampant censorship and money trail should be a GIANT red flag for anyone with common sense. Repurposed drugs have also been extremely successful and saved lives, yet because of greed and politics they have been suppressed and discussions have been censored. It that appropriate?
People die every day for some reason. It could be the flu, Covid-19, Congestive heart failure, ect. People dying doesn’t justify lockdowns and censorship and coercing medical treatments or mandating them, and it certainly doesn’t justify the banning of discussions involving proven experts in the fields of Virology, Micro-biology and Pathology, ect.
There are plenty of experts who aren’t “anti-vaxxers” who recognize that nothing has been handled appropriately from the start of this whole mess. Or, they have been handled exactly the way you would expect if the ultimate goal was money and more power.
DD
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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“Only thing you do DD is pull biased selective information from somewhere that supports your biased position, kind of like JWS trying to support their doctrines”
Wrong. Also a very weak argument. I’ve encouraged everyone, not just you, to look at multiple sources of information, especially experts from around the world who have been censored, ect. I’m not sure how that equates to bias in your mind. Also, your argument does nothing to address the issue of naturally acquired immunity. Have you done any research on this subject? It’s fascinating.
You’re trying to attribute dropping case numbers with vaccination programs alone which is simply not true, but it is the easiest answer to give.
DD
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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“The fact is that unvaccinated people have more of chance of suffering worse symptoms from this virus with its new variants.”
Really? I’ve heard the exact opposite from Virologists who don’t get a platform. They say the Delta variant is much more contagious but not nearly as deadly as Covid-19.
What are these symptoms? Will I feel like I have the Flu for a week versus 2 days? What are the ultimate risks for my long term health if I take a vaccine vs staying in bed a few more days?
One of the issues surrounding this subject is that certain folks refuse to read information because they are convinced in their minds that the source justifies dismissing everything said on a certain subject. That’s throwing the baby out with the bath water and mentally lazy.
For example: You’re convinced ( usually without doing any research because research is hard ) that Dr X is a wacko because Company Z tells you so on its website that this is the case. So, when someone shares a link that you “know” is sharing “misinformation”, you refuse to look it up. Why should you? Company Z told you what to think.
DD
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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Your raise an interesting point Jeffro. An analogy is an process where we take meaning from one subject and transfer it to another, i.e, “The human brian is like a computer.”
She’s trying to make a comparison between being unvaccinated ( As the “expert” she should make the distinction between whether or not she is speaking of persons who have natural immunity or persons who have never come in contact with Covid-19, the latter being virtually impossible at this point ) and being a drunk driver which is a completely false and irresponsible thing to say, especially when given the platform to reach millions of people.
There is no similarity between the two subjects so as to make an analogy. There is simply the appearance of similarity, much like the JW/Baptism/License comparison which is also false.
“That sound is like nails on a blackboard .” Is a metaphor. The sound could be very different from the actual sound of nails on a blackboard, but the reader has to understand the meaning of the metaphor and recognize that the “sound” is not analogous to nails on a blackboard.
“It's just a metaphor for quickly comparing ideas. Most readers with a fairly basic education would understand the intent of the comparison the doctor was making.”
Sadly, the “intent” of the comparison is to make “most readers”, listeners in this case, believe that the “sound” is actually “nails on a blackboard” when it isn’t. She wants the public to view unvaccinated people as they would drunk drivers. That is completely false and irresponsible because one is not like other at all. The subject is far too nuanced, but that doesn’t matter as the “News” simply wants shock value to influence the fairly basically educated public.
This “fairly basic education” you mention doesn’t seem to exist given that fact that many, many people are swallowing the bait, hook, line and sinker.
“Analogies prove nothing, that is true, but they can make one feel more at home.”
- Sigmund Freud
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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?
by DATA-DOG indr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.
besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.
it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.
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Good morning,
Nice to see the usual suspects with their insults are showing up.. 🙄
I’m not saying there is a 1:1 comparison between her analogy and the JW/driver’s license analogy, although they are both meant to be manipulative. Her analogy simply reminds me of the baptism/license analogy. They don’t make sense when you step back, remove the emotional/fear generating aspects that all propaganda preys upon.
DD