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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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Thank you Mike and Kim for resurrecting this. I never got to watch it the first time around.

To answer your question "Have I ever been verbally abused by John Cedars aka James Lloyd Evans?" Yes, yes I have. He did it in a private message on my old facebook account. I spoke about this further up in this thread on page 15 if anyone wants to read it because I'm so not repeating myself.

It has been a tiring week for us all and watching the current Evan's Gate followers cements it for me, that he's not going to go away. They were asleep in the org and they're still asleep now. They just replaced one leader for another. I have replied to comments, had my comments banned, deleted, reported from Lloyds faithful sheep. I have noticed the same language that current JW's use when we shout against Watchtower's bad policies and doctrines, as for those who are following Lloyd.

I help to administrate a group on Facebook and I am so done with all of this. If people are not going to listen and use their perceptive powers about this narcissistic abusive individual, then I don't know how much more help I or anyone else can be for them. There have been several people he has hurt and he still keeps on going. He's committed one of the most heinous sins, one that you can actually get executed for in Afghanistan and he still keeps going. People flock to him. Just like they flocked to Watchtower.

He could have used those funds at any point to help those girls out of the situation they found themselves in. He could have used those funds to set up a sanctuary for ex JW's who get kicked out of their JW parents homes for no longer wishing to be JW's, like what happened to me. He didn't. He used it for self gratification, hurt his wife and his children and then turns it around on anyone who says how they actually feel about this horrible, disgusting act and makes it out that Kim S is responsible for his sh!tty behaviour. What a horrible, horrible individual.

Bible or not, this disloyalty brings shame to his wife and he caused that, no one else caused it but him alone with his selfish degrading actions. She could get all of his money in a divorce because he was unfaithful to her. I hope she sees her self worth and I hope she realises just how much she could destroy him for this. I personally hope she does it because he does not love her. If he loved her, he would not have been unfaithful.

I am empathising with the community who are really angry at this and yet again, have it turned around on us, anyone who dares to question Lloyd. Rant over. Love to you all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkRkH1MCHrs

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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I think we really should get a timeline of all the things he's done to this community and have it out there for people to refer to, because everything he has done to people from that day to this day, oh boy. There are tonnes of people who have been hurt by this man. Some he's apologised to, some he's not and actually just blocked them because they disagreed with him.

This one came to my attention again. I'd forgotten about this one. Timely reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR2cftiyfFY

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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That's just one picture that has leaked. Remember he said 3-4 years regular custome

So if the young lady in the photograph is recent and around 18 years old, 18-4? Even if she is 20. 20-4? Under the UNCHR a minor is someone under the age of 18 regardless of what it is in your birth country or the country you reside in!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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All the way through your video you kept using the term "girls", was that some honesty accidentally leaking out?

I too thought that was a Freudian Slip. Can he prove that this young "girl" was of the age of consent? And his "I won't be saying anything further without legal representation" - is that supposed to scare us? People will speculate given the facts.

Fact 1 - He can't control his genitals - his words in his video
Fact 2 - He disclosed information he knew Kim was not going to keep confidential.
Fact 3 - After his wife finds out about information of him buying "ladies of the night" he goes on a mental health break to Thailand.
Fact 4 - Thailand is known for it's prostitution with 60-70% of those "ladies" not being ladies and are in fact 12-15 year old girls who are put into that position because of dire poverty and furthermore, shunned if they come back home because of an STD whether 12 or 22. They are literally made a little hut outside the village and treated like a leper.

Me thinks, he be clutching at straws now. Lawyers would eat him for breakfast, lunch and dinner. He's done for. Best to just quietly slip away into the shadows and leave the activism to the rest of us. But he won't will he? His narcissism knows no bounds.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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In this video she says, ''And if she loves Lloyd and wants to stay with him after this, then more power to her.'' I see too much of my mom in this statement! Maybe Lloyd's wife is fearful for her life or is afraid to leave him for financial reasons.

I am part of a support group for women who have suffered NDA (Narcissistic Domestic Abuse) and many have said they were afraid of their spouses/boyfriends. The group is not just for women who have had narc spouses, but also those who have narc children or narc parents, the latter being true in my case. I've heard it so many times with the relational aspect of it. They wouldn't leave because they were financially set. They did as they were told. Many are afraid when they make that step out through Women's Aid. They don't want abusive ex to find them. Many get killed for daring to leave them. Children get caught up in it as well and watch their mothers get verbally abused mostly, sometimes never physically until the wife has had enough. She threatens to leave and he batters her. This story has been told over and over again.

When I see Lloyd on camera, as many others here have said, I instantly think narcissist. I fear for Dijana and the girls safety and my hope is that when they have finally had enough of this POS, that they can get away from him, safely. I have heard the pain of the realisation of a cheating spouse, the feeling of not being good enough and I too have felt that pain in the past. It is a cry like no other. The cry of death. The cry of loss. A loss of expectations, a loss of a dream, a loss of what you thought about that person. That POS put out there that he is incompatible with her. Just what? She's a beautiful woman, saying this as a straight female and she absolutely deserves so much better than this POS. Dijana, if you are reading - please recognise your worth because you do deserve better and so do your girls.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I came across this today. She is so spot on about this. She is also funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poE7NABxzkI

Edited to say some may not agree with it. From the outset she sounds very balanced. Further on it might not be to everyone's agreement and I certainly don't agree with everything she says. It's great to be out of the org to be able to disagree respectfully and not get taken into a back room with 3 men telling you that you absolutely must agree with everything.

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The Governing Body KNEW CSA was happening at Bethel

by Newly Enlightened in

https://youtu.be/btryr_z7elg.

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I have only just came across this one now. I wonder if this can be used as evidence when I get called in front of the Scottish Government.

Around 4 months ago, I drew up a petition with the help of the UKXJW's support group and had quite a number of signatures. With Scottish petitions, you don't need a large amount of people signing, you only need 1 for them to look at it, yours.

Unaware of that, I sent out the question to ask in all forums including in this one, if people would sign it.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4833344146636800/pe1905-public-inquiry-into-response-religious-organisations-allegations-child-sexual-abuse-since-1950

I am awaiting the call to the Scottish Government togive more information as you can see in the statement from them below that they do indeed want more information about how Watchtower handles (CSA) child s3x abuse allegations and how it has impacted on the community. Regardless, I am saving this information as it could prove useful that a prominent member knew, he knew that CSA was happening and they did nothing, I repeat nothing about it. They did not inform the police, the did not inform child protection, they kept it quiet as they did in mine and many thousands of other cases.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/citizen-participation-and-public-petitions-committee-december-1-2021?clip_start=10:30:17&clip_end=10:34:53

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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Defamation:
'Defamation means causing serious harm to a person's reputation by publishing material about them that changes the way people feel about them. A person who claims to have been defamed can go to court to get compensation for the harm caused. ... Compensation could be money or a public apology.'

Joey JoJo

I am in the UK. I contacted the police about slanderous false rumours being posted on Facebook about a child, my child. The perpatrators? My sister's friends.

The police?

"All we can do is talk to her and ask her to take it down. It is largely up to her whether she heeds our advice or not"

They can't do JACK in the UK for defamation whether true or false. It is difficult to gather clear cut evidence and would waste CPS time. That's what I was told by the police. I still retain all the evidence, but difficult to prove in court. Considering the people who are commenting here are commenting under aliases.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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I don't know about Croatia or the UK, but in the United States its against the law (Title 18, section 2423 if anybody wants to check my homework) to travel to a foreign country to engage in sex practices illegal in the United States. It is possible that Evans' legal problems are just starting.

Jeff, I can answer that for you but you need to be aware that English Law and Scottish Law are different and there is no such thing as UK law. A bit like EU law where signatories sign up to it, or part of it or not at all, the United Kingdom is somewhat similar with the nations in the union.

According to the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) it is an offence to persist loitering for the purpose of prostituition. You can read all of it here.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/prostitution-and-exploitation-prostitution

Some of his financial dealings would certainly get the attention of the IRS. Again, I don't know about the UK

Again not as clear cut because I have no idea what it is you are referring to with his financial dealings. Is it income tax?

You can find what you are looking for as all the legislation is there for public consumption.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/primary+secondary?title=financial

Lastly I make no bones about my dealings with Lloyd. I find the guy to be like marmite. You either love him or can't stand him. I fall into the latter category simply because, when I agreed with him, he was friendly. When I had a difference of opinion, critqued his work on the CSA video he did, highlighting Panorama Suffer the Little Children (BBC 2002) of which I took part in anonymously in 2002 - he stated and I quote "Well it can't be that bad. Have some empathy for the victims"!

As a survivor of that abuse I was shocked at the level of contempt he had for me after using the segments of the documentary that I was party to. I stopped watching his stuff since then and heard from many other activists around about the same time that they too had been bullied by him. Everytime I hear or read his name now, a boiling rage and a bad taste is left in my mouth because I was hurt so badly by his comment to me. It was not supportive in the slightest.

My critical feedback of that video started with words to the effect of it being good and I really hope many watch it, but, the spinning around made me feel sick as I do have motion sickness (which is why I can never play VR games or watch anything that can trigger it) and my suggestion was to put that in the beginning of the video for people who have that problem.

As far as this whole Thailand fiasco goes, the only thing we all really want to know is, was it between two legally consenting adults. Because prostitution of minors in Thailand is rife. 7.1 million people in poverty and many young girls and possibly boys as well, being forced into this due to financial problems. Regardless, I will still never watch another video from him again, put money into his pot at all because of the way I was treated by him. The only people I am concerned about is his wife and kids.

If Watchtower or JW lurkers are reading, we are not all sexually deviant as Lloyd has insinuated. Many of us have left and continue to lead pretty moral lives regardless of being in Watchtower or not. The "worldly" people are not all drug addicts, sexually immoral, drunkards etc, as Watchtower insinuates.

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PE1905: Public Inquiry into the response of religious organisations to allegations of child sexual abuse since 1950

by silentlamb_silent_no_more in

hi guys.

i live in scotland.

i need help from the xjw community.

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We (my sister and I) have both appeared in the media amongst other brave survivors - in BBC Panorama Suffer the little Children where I was anonymous.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2114320.stm
Further to that and still not content with Watchtower's policies on this matter, I contacted the UK's papers "The Mirror and The Daily Record"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/girl-who-abused-dad-five-10367995
I have to date, amongst other survivors, taken both abusers to court. The first got 5 years in jail and the second got 7 years. Both did half of that time on "good behaviour"
I have already had the law involved where Watchtower are concerned and legally cannot divulge the outcome.

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