there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.
in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.
he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.
Bumping again for those who haven't already seen this, just because it's so brilliant!
I saw the movie Cloud Atlas the other day and it got me thinking about the destructive power of shunning again, so this morning in the shower I got to wondering (again) about what happened next in this compelling drama... Leolaia??
there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.
in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.
he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.
For me, this thread was the nail in the coffin in terms of dispelling any shred of credibility the WTS had in my mind. It's so astonishing I keep telling people about it!
If you haven't read it, it really is a 'must read'!
Thanks again Leolaia....looking forward to finding out what happened next....
there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.
in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.
he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.
So what hapenned next Leolaia?? A gripping, jaw-dropping tale - I can't wait for the next exciting installment...
In the meantime, thanks Christ Alone for your post on page 3 which makes me laugh everytime I remember it:
"Our furniture is still on the way from Brooklyn. We are hoping it will get here before Armageddon starts anyway."
Sad...sad. This was back in 1939. I hope he's not still waiting for his furniture...
i was looking to see if i could find the reasoning book online when i came across this highly amusing thread on a catholic forum in 09:.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498.
they're so excited to have found the book - "now we know a lot better about what the jw is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!".
Thanks Atlantis.
Data-Dog, I very much agree - not only are the people on that thread more compassionate and tolerant towards JWs than the JWs would be of them, but they are a lot kinder and more mature in their attitude than many ex-JWs.
Lines that stood out to me:
"I don't think it very mature to be poking fun at it. Just because we don't agree with it does not give us the right to ridicule it. We are always outraged when the works of our faith are ridiculed and rightly so. Sinking to their level and laughing at their works is just immature."
"Let's not mock the Jehovah Witnesses."
"I don't think we should make fun of Jehovah Witnesses, but we should most certainly point out their error."
Well said I thought.
i was looking to see if i could find the reasoning book online when i came across this highly amusing thread on a catholic forum in 09:.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498.
they're so excited to have found the book - "now we know a lot better about what the jw is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!".
I was looking to see if I could find the Reasoning book online when I came across this highly amusing thread on a Catholic forum in 09:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498
They're so excited to have found the book - " NOW WE KNOW a lot better about what the JW is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!"
It seems the pdf is no longer available - shucks.
i was looking to see if i could find the reasoning book online when i came across this highly amusing thread on a catholic forum in 09:.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498.
they're so excited to have found the book - "now we know a lot better about what the jw is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!".
I was looking to see if I could find the Reasoning book online when I came across this highly amusing thread on a Catholic forum in 09:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498
They're so excited to have found the book - " NOW WE KNOW a lot better about what the JW is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!"
It seems the pdf is no longer available - shucks.
i was looking to see if i could find the reasoning book online when i came across this highly amusing thread on a catholic forum in 09:.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498.
they're so excited to have found the book - "now we know a lot better about what the jw is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!".
I was looking to see if I could find the Reasoning book online when I came across this highly amusing thread on a Catholic forum in 09:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=354498
They're so excited to have found the book - " NOW WE KNOW a lot better about what the JW is going to say to us, and so we can be better prepared to respond!"
It seems the pdf is no longer available - shucks.
charles taze russell: (founder of the watchtower bible and tract society) died october 31, 1916 halloween night.
watchtower secrets.
so did the masonic lodge finally have enough of russell and his magical wheat, which was an embarrasment to international freemasonry and the illuminati, and finally do in russell on the occultic high holiday?
"I'll bet a large number of high $$ lawsuits would do the trick."
Ha! It took 6 years but look at them now...Candace Conti (one hopes) is just the tip of the iceberg.
Happy Halloween!
i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.
i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.
i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.
It's fascinating to note that modern day Russellites balk at the idea that Russell founded the Jehovah's Witnesses!...
Russell did not believe in, and he actively preached against, the claim of an exclusive “visible organization” on the earth as the JWs claim. That is simply fact that anyone can verify from Russell’s own writings. Additionally, Russell most certainly did not believe in the Gospel ["Good News"] of the JWs, which includes the glad tidings the millions of people of the world will be eternally destroyed without ever receiving any benefit from the “ransom for all.” That “Gospel” of the JWs most certainly did nor originate from him. This is also a fact that can be proven by examining Russell’s own writings. Thus, it is very misleading to attribute Russell as being founder of a religious group that he did not believe in. Russell’s own works over and over and over again prove that he did not believe in such an “organization” as that of the JWs, nor in the Gospel that the JWs teach. http://ctr.reslight.net
See also: http://rlctr.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/was-russell-founder-of-jws.htm
i've been reading around this subject of late and it seems to make a lot of sense.
i'm wondering if anyone is convinced and/or has seen anything that can substantiate or corroborate the 'facts' set out in these arguments.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/russell.htm.
i was particularly fascinated to read the following:.
In my earlier post I wrote “there is no one 'secret' society, but a network of inter-related elite groups that go under several different names whose primary aim is to forward the agenda of global government.” A one-world government may be neither an explicitly stated aim nor a covert one of these groups, however it certainly seems to be considered 'a worthy ideal' among many of their members.
The UN’s stated goals revolve around international (aka world) co-operation, justice, security and peace', with several organisations such as the World Health Organisation set up to address key issues on a global level; and the G8, the world's economic elite, meets to 'discuss issues of global concern' - so it seems that we already have the foundations for a world government in place and that these structures will inevitably evolve and grow in power and influence.
The Bilderberg Group is not a secret society, just a highly secretive group, since meetings are strictly private and purposefully off-the-record. The stated reasons for this have their benefits, although it does mean we have to trust that the attendees have noble intentions, since they cannot be held accountable in any way for what they say or how they influence the others in attendance.
Thanks for the link Nambo. Considering the annual Bilderberg meeting has been held 5 times in the UK since the first meeting in ‘54 – in Buxton in ‘58, Cambridge in ‘67, and Torquay in ’77, then in Scotland at Gleneagles in 86 and Turnberry in ’98 (England seems long overdue to host another) – there are surprisingly few references to it in the Houses of Parliament.
The first recorded mention of the annual conference was in 1973 (a reference to a discussion on nuclear power), four years later a concern was raised in passing (around the time the conference was last held in England), next an off-hand remark in a discussion around defence in 99, then we start to see questions about attendees, contributions to debates, meeting schedules, expenses (bearing in mind that delegates attend in a private capacity, not in their public capacity) and details relating to the last meeting in the UK, but no-one seems to be giving much away. Lists of meeting delegates and discussion topics (as well as MP expenses) are published, so they may have answered some their own questions outside the House, however a few questions stand out:
Q: Norman Baker (Lewes, Liberal Democrat) - 12 October 2006
To ask the Prime Minister in which years since 1993 (a) he and (b) other Government Ministers have attended meetings of the Bilderberg group. Gleneagles in 86
A: Tony Blair (Prime Minister; Sedgefield, Labour)
The information requested is not held centrally.
Q: Norman Baker (Lewes, Liberal Democrat) - 19 October 2006
To ask the Prime Minister pursuant to the answer of 12 October 2006, Official Report, column 862W, on the Bilderberg Group, if he will provide the information requested in respect of himself since 1997.
A: Tony Blair (Prime Minister; Sedgefield, Labour)
I have not attended any such meetings.
NB: In 1998 an MP asked Blair the same question to which he gave the same answer, that he had never attended a Bilderberg meeting. However, the evidence clearly shows he was there. A number of mainstream media reports, plus the official Bilderberg attendee list, confirm that Blair attended Bilderberg in Athens in 1993 (admittedly the question was about the years since 1993/97, so technically Blair could be right in saying he had not attended since then, although I'd be surprised if he hadn't attended whilst serving as PM. If the group is genuinely about sharing ideas and improving public relations why would he need to restrict or hide his involvement with the group?). See http://www.infowars.net/articles/October2006/201006Bilderberg.htm
Q: Lord Stoddart of Swindon (Independent Labour) - 24 October 2006
Asked Her Majesty's Government: Whether any Ministers attended the Bilderberg Conference in Ottawa between 8 and 11 June; if so, whether they attended in a ministerial or private capacity; whether they made contributions to debates; and, if so, on which subjects.
A: Lord Bassam of Brighton (Government Whip (technically a Lord in Waiting, HM Household); Labour)
All ministerial visits are conducted in accordance with the Ministerial Code and Travel by Ministers. Since 1999, the Government have published annually a list of overseas travel by Cabinet Ministers costing over £500 and the total cost of all ministerial travel. Information for 2005-06 was published on Monday 24 July 2006. Copies are available in the Library for the reference of noble Lords. Information for 2006-07 will be published as soon as possible after the end of the financial year.
NB: Despite asking the same question three times (again on the 2nd of November and the 30th of November) he doesn’t appear to have had any parts of it answered.
Q: Norman Baker (Lewes, Liberal Democrat) - 15 January 2007
To ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer in which years since 1997 (a) he and (b) other Treasury Ministers have attended meetings of the Bilderberg Group.
A: John Healey (Financial Secretary, HM Treasury; Wentworth, Labour)
Treasury Ministers and officials have meetings with a wide range of organisations and individuals in the public and private sectors as part of the process of policy development and delivery. As was the case with previous Administrations, it is not the Government's practice to provide details of all such meetings.
Not secret, but strictly private and confidential!
Interestingly, Wikipedia notes the following:
In his 1980 essay The Bilderberg and the West , researcher Peter Thompson argues that the Bilderberg group is a meeting ground for top executives from the world’s leading multinational corporations and top national political figures to consider jointly the immediate and long-term problems facing the West. According to Thompson, Bilderberg itself is not an executive agency, but when Bilderberg participants reach a form of consensus about what is to be done they have at their disposal powerful transnational and national instruments for bringing about what it is they want to come to pass.
In 2001, Denis Healey, a Bilderberg group founder and, for 30 years, a steering committee member, said: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing ."
Author James McConnachie comments that conspiracy theorists have a point, but that they fail to communicate it effectively. He argues that the Bilderberg group acts in a manner consistent with a global conspiracy, but does so without the same "degree of nefariousness", a difference not appreciated by conspiracy theorists, who "tend to see this cabal as outright evil." McConnachie concludes: "Occasionally you have to give credit to conspiracy theorists who raise issues that the mainstream press has ignored. It's only recently that the media has picked up on the Bilderbergers. Would the media be running stories if there weren't these wild allegations flying around?"
The BBC wrote a well-written and balanced article on conspiracies in June last year entitled 'Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?' Worth a read... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13682082 (The comments are pretty good too.)
(PS. The site keeps messing up the formatting, so some bolding is unintentional!)
